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    I wanna thank you all though,, You sure have me pourin through the rule book during the free time I dont have,!

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    Geez Gooser, ya saying that bird boy is unnatural?

    Whadayathink his momma would say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
    It may legal but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
    What seems to be lost in the conversation is that even those who've said it was legal per the rules have also said that they don't do it except under unusual circumstances. There's one pond at the cattle ranch that I've said that I will not use ever again because the only choice is to do the blinds and marks in this fashion. You can set up all manner of different blinds and marks but every set comes down to this issue. So, yes it is legal but no, none of us like to do it ... at least no one I've ever judged Senior with.
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    And to gooses, I've never set a test with the intent to trick or eat up dogs. Nor have I bragged about it later. Mostly I've reflected and wished I could have done a better job. No test is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    "He needs to come to here and run MY test!"

    "That Judge has an EGO,, and is trying to trick a YOUNG dog,, then Gloat later of how his test "Ate Dogs"
    Therein lies the problem with some judges. How many lament that their test "Ate Dogs" ? Particularly at the lower levels.

    I am editing this to emphasize the word SOME in the above sentence. Certainly not all and like gooser says below, sometimes what looks doable is just not what it seems.
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    I haven't judged much but have set up lots of training scenarios. Sometimes I will setup thinking it is straight forward and the dogs do terrible.
    I don't think judges set out to trick or fail dogs. They do like me some time and don't realize how deceptive the setup is.
    A judge recently asked me what I thought of the land series. I told him I thought the blind was difficult and he replied yes it was deceptively so. I thought that was an honest response.
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    I didnt say ALL judges do,, I said SOME Judges MIGHT.

    Like some here that have posted earlier, that have said that IN THEIR OPINION,, AKC or WE should expect more out of dogs, than the standard may state.

    Thats THEIR opinion. Either they are setting tests up to advance that opinion deliberately,, or they dont understand the standard, and make mistakes.

    So, Based on this discussion we have had, that is pages long, clearly interprets the running rules differently,, How do you prepare a dog for Senior?

    I believe MANY had decided to say Screw Senior,, and just run Master. I think that is a shame, and is a black eye on the venue.

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    There is a way to trick a young dog by running a blind between the gun stations before the marks are thrown and there are ways to NOT trick a dog by running the blind between the gun stations before the marks are thrown.

    There is a way to trick a dog by running a blind outside the gun stations after the marks are thrown and picked up and there are ways NOT to trick a dog by running a blind to the outside of marks before the marks are thrown .
    One would have to see the test first ,,,right,,
    tests should contain meat,,but shouldn't be tricky ,,a toddler can trick a dog. Sometimes there's a fine line between the 2 depending who 's eyes are looking at it.
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    I think that there is a difference between a test that is too hard for the particular class of dog (e.g. under the arc poison bird blind in Qualifying) and a test that is intended to trick a dog (e.g. dry guns in a marking test)

    It seems that most people here are concerned that certain tests are inappropriately difficult for Senior level dogs - not that the judges are employing a deceptive technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
    If the judges set a blind up the middle of a virgin field, ran the blind then later put some guns out and threw a double mark, I would agree with you, but to run a land blind between two gun stations is a bit over the top in a seņor test in my opinion. Plus having the memory and scent left over from the blind adds difficulty to the marks. It may legal but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
    I have never seen or set up a land blind up the middle...Like Eric said , it is water blinds where this occurs ...AND usually this is the best alternative to the situation ...Making the best of what a judge has to deal with is part of the game...Stay with in the boundary of the rules and do the best you can to meet the requirements of the test...If most could avoid it I'm sure they would rather do something different...Steve S
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