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    Thanks all for you support
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    He isnt a "fox red" but he is one heck of a dog and just won a DoubleHeader this weekend and thats FC AFC Suncrest Quinoa (Keno)..he can mark with the best of them and he is Amateur trained and handled....come from a good bloodline I think he is a TNT grandson...good looking dog too
    I'll second on Keno! My Cruger is a litter mate to Keno and is dark yellow with tinges of red. The litter produce several good looking, talented dogs.
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    Alain, I sent you a PM about Scooter. He has been with Remi's trainer off and on for a little while now and just got done taking him to The Grand.
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    I would look at Traveler to breed to. If she is dark yellow then I would say there is a possibility of throwing fox red pup. If not you are still breeding to a very nice stud.

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    Scooter is QAA and he points!

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    Hi Alain.
    i have to wonder if a dark yellow dog is likely to throw dark yellow puppies.
    I think you could get all shades of yellow.
    You or someone else would know more about it than I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Adams View Post
    You or someone else would know more about it than I.
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    Just FYI Cuz I'm a genetic junky

    Breeders of "true fox reds" will quickly point out that some yellow Labs professed to be "fox-red" are really more dark tan than red and are therefore, not "true fox-reds". The difference in concentration of red color (determined by the "ay" or "as" allele of the A locus) is dependent upon the alleles at the C locus. The "C" allele allows for full expression and intensity of red tones, while the "cch" allele will dilute the red to a clear tan color.

    Therefore, the genotype of each color variation is:

    ay_B_ C_ee = True Fox-Red
    as_B_C_ee * = True Fox-Red with Saddling**

    ay_B_ cch _ee = Pseudo Fox-Red
    as_B_cch_ee = Pseudo Fox-Red with Saddling**

    * the underline denotes that the gene locus may be homozygous or heterozygous with a less dominant allele present at the partner-chromosome gene locus
    ** Labs with this genotype demonstrate the red coloring localized to certain areas of the body.

    The "as" allele produces the "saddling effects" seen in many yellows in which there appears darker yellow pigmentation on the back,
    ears, legs, etc. compared to areas of light yellow on the shoulders, neck, and underside. The "as" allele also increases intensity of phaeomelanin, but restricts its production to the former mentioned areas on the Lab.

    The observation that there appears to be no solid fox-red or solid "pseudo" fox-red Labs may be explained by Little's hypothesis that the combination of an "ay" in a homozygous "e" (yellow) dog is lethal. If Little's hypothesis is correct, then this would mean that all fox-red or "pseudo" fox-red Labs must be: as_B_C_ee or as_B_cch_ee, respectively.

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    1. Not an FC-AFC but, have heard good things about his pups; 4XGMPR HRCH HRK's Rooster Smasher Of TGK MH QAA
    http://www.huntinglabpedigree.com/pedigree.asp?id=47687

    2. The Darkest Fox Red Dogs; I've ever seen have been in the HRC venue, for some reason they seem to gravitate to that venue more than other ones, not sure if they have separate lines or not, but it might be why Money Talk II is one of the UKC best producing sires.
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    I sure do like AFC Snapper.

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    This is a client dog and not for stud yet but he is sired by FC riparian windfall. Probably not going to get all reds but all shades. But Ricky throws some nice puppies.


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    Like mention before, lot will call a red fox while the dog is dark ylw.
    To me, to call a dog red fox he have to be all one shade red color.
    But some seemed even being dark ylw will throw red fox pup, of course dam has an impact but still, and Jamie seemed to me to throw those red pup, upon my research.

    Again i thank all for your kind support....please note i'm french and my english is not perfect so excuse those bad sentences.
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