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    Default How likely would this health issue be?

    Penny has a lump approximately 3 inches in diameter on her left loin. It feels like it is located under her spine right in front of her pelvis and is bulging out on the left loin just slightly, forming a lump that can be felt and just barely seen. It does not feel like a fatty tumor. The vet thinks she may have a chiropractic issue because she has pain on palpation, but he is stumped because the pain seems to come from a general area rather than just the spine. He gave me a referral to a doggy chiro.

    Penny has a limp in the left hind leg and has muscle atrophy in that limb from favoring it. She is careful how she lays down and gets up, but she lays on each side equally and even sometimes flat on her back with her feet in the air. She does not stand with her back hunched up or saggy. When I take her for her twice daily walks, she heads out at a brisk trot and I have to jog to keep up with her. She only slightly limps at a trot and she will gallop if I let her. When retrieving marks she will fly off the line and run with gusto, no signs of pain or limping until we get back in the house.

    I am having little red flags in my mind, something that is saying to me "It's maybe not a spinal issue". She is just too active and twisty-turny. She has been in the field almost every day of her life either hunting or training. So I wonder if it could be a foxtail that had migrated some time ago and been walled off, creating a large mass that is pressing upward on the spine? Or maybe lodged in the spinal column itself?

    I am hesitating to have her undergo chiropractic if it could be a foxtail issue. Should I ask my vet to x-ray her for a possible foxtail first, or is my theory highly unlikely?

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    I dont think a foxtail will show up on an xray- an ultrasound, yes. Went thru this with Fats several years ago.I would agree with your suspicion though-
    if you do an U/S. none better up here than Dr Esh, at Valley Oak. Hes excellent.
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    if she has muscle atrophy I would suspect a blown disc, or something similar, causing a nerve problem. How long has she been limping? X-ray first, and see what the films say....
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    I would get her to a good surgeon in your area. The big lump is what could be causing the problem. It certainly could be a Foxtail or something else. If it is showing 3 inches on the outside, it could be much bigger internally. I wouldn't hesitate to get her to the vet surgeon however. If she is painful and showing signs of pain that tells you she needs to go to the veterinarian. I do not believe that chiropractic is the answer.
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    Thanks everyone. Karen, I use Dr. Darling in Chico. I have found that he is very good at listening to my concerns and does not treat me like I'm ignorant when it comes to doggy health. I have never used Valley Oak... beautiful facility they have though!

    I will call him and ask about doing an ultrasound. I am thinking it is not a blown disc because she would not be so active, jumping and twisting and turning and running around? This is not a new issue. She has been like this for a while. She was VERY overweight in August and I have reduced her weight probably 10# since then. It was when she started showing a waistline that I noticed the lump. The more in shape she gets, the more obvious it is. It was not noticeable when she was so heavy, which is why she had been diagnosed (by UC Davis) as just being "old and arthritic" and put on pain meds.

    I will update this post when I find out more.

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    Dr Darling is great- he used to work for Dr Neves, before he died.
    Not everyone does U/S . Dr Esh is great for referral, he found Fats' foxtail , isolated the area, and then surgery was performed( FT had moved bythen though!)
    I dont use Valley Oak routinely but wouldnt hesitate to use Esh if I needed the specialty- Good luck with her- I hope its nothing serious....
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    Foxtail won't show up on x-ray. If your vet suggested chiro, you should have an x-ray for them to see before they adjust her anyway. Get an x-ray, see what shows up, and then see if you need an ultrasound, or maybe some other kind of scan. Good luck!
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    Always, Always, Always exhaust all diagnostic tools from vets and obtain a definitive diagnosis, if at all practical, Before resorting to chiropractic.
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    I am not sure I understand the location nor do I know where in California you live but I would always consider foxtail a possibility. If you live anywhere in a drive able distance to Oakdale make an appointment with Dr. Cal Cadmus who has a lifetime of professional experience with foxtail induced abscesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    I am not sure I understand the location nor do I know where in California you live but I would always consider foxtail a possibility. If you live anywhere in a drive able distance to Oakdale make an appointment with Dr. Cal Cadmus who has a lifetime of professional experience with foxtail induced abscesses.

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