"Power is of two kinds. One is obtained through the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent than the one derived from fear of punishment." Mahatma Gandhi
I worked through the spin and barks while handling with the same dog. As a mere pup she would spin in anticpation of being fed her dinner. Might be something there in the lines? I identified this early and to this day make her sit before feeding so she can't spin.
Later on in training I racked it up to too much pressure and laid off her and did a ton of confidence blinds which helped the spinning. As she matured I got really good at anticpating a spin/pop and would burn and handle accordingly. The spinning never occurs anymore unless the pressure is amped up or the dog is confused.
For barking on a cast I tried recalling which did no good. I tried whistle sitting immediatly following a bark by a hard "quiet!" then recasted which only worked so-so. Finally, I left it alone and as her confidence grew the dog quieted down. As the spinning she only barks when casting if I apply to much pressure which I'm careful not to do. One thing is positive...too much excitement/anxiety can bring out both. The dog needs structure coming out of the truck all the way to the line.
Last edited by Robert; 10-22-2013 at 04:48 PM.
Jerry....i'll vote for #3 in your options AND send from a remote position only NOT by your side for awhile...Randy
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Not sure why Jerry has not responded but I know he went to the beach. I don't think I have ever seen him spin but I guess jerry has. This dog is not a Spinner like the ones I have seen. I had one one time. Also momentum is not a problem with this dog,just the opposite. Like I said ,and told Jerry just walk up and kick him off. I have also seen him bark after a cast in the field. This happens usually after some pressure for taking a wrong cast.
The next time we train together I'll make a video. I'm sure Jerry appreciates the advice.
another one of those, "sit back and shake your head back and forth threads" on RTF.....
I appreciate the replies everyone. He rarely spins. There isn't any issue with momentum at all ever.
I'll respond with more when I get back to my PC.
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Simply waiting until the dog settles is teaching him that he will only get what he wants (to be released) by exhibiting an acceptable behavior, that being to sit quietly and relax. The idea then is to launch him in a more relaxed mind set so that the symptom of the anxiety (bark/spin) doesn't occur. Over time this will re-form into a new set of habits for the dog.
This is not un-similar to simply stepping in and launching him. In that method you're just not giving him a chance to get any more anxious because you're not fidgeting around trying to line him up.
Same goes for sending from a remote position. If he's anxious at your side or anticipating pressure there, send him from a different position where he should be more relaxed.
As has been noted there are a number of ways to address the issue. These are probably the least risky for someone who might dig themselves a hole otherwise (IMHO).
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