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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    Taught/known/momentum/pattern- Some folks like to make semantics out of it with naming it as if they came up with the idea. They've been used since the 1950's.

    There should be no handler pickiness or fidgeting because you have "taught" the dog where the blind is, you've broken it down, you've been a smart trainer and built it in steps so the difficulty can become increasingly harder as the dog progresses in training. Step up and kick the dog off handle it depending upon the flavor of the day. If momentum is needed, don't handle. If control is needed, you can handle at key locations on the blind.
    I don't have to line or fidget with the taught/known/memory/ momentum blinds. We built up great momentum using them. Now I'm back to cold blinds. She is used to me just kicking her off, now i'm lining her for the cold blind and she gets frustrated with that. It is a skill in itself for them to allow lining at the mat, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Is spinning in the family line?

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    Good question.

    I worked through the spin and barks while handling with the same dog. As a mere pup she would spin in anticpation of being fed her dinner. Might be something there in the lines? I identified this early and to this day make her sit before feeding so she can't spin.

    Later on in training I racked it up to too much pressure and laid off her and did a ton of confidence blinds which helped the spinning. As she matured I got really good at anticpating a spin/pop and would burn and handle accordingly. The spinning never occurs anymore unless the pressure is amped up or the dog is confused.

    For barking on a cast I tried recalling which did no good. I tried whistle sitting immediatly following a bark by a hard "quiet!" then recasted which only worked so-so. Finally, I left it alone and as her confidence grew the dog quieted down. As the spinning she only barks when casting if I apply to much pressure which I'm careful not to do. One thing is positive...too much excitement/anxiety can bring out both. The dog needs structure coming out of the truck all the way to the line.

    Good luck.
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    Jerry....i'll vote for #3 in your options AND send from a remote position only NOT by your side for awhile...Randy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Bohn View Post
    Jerry....i'll vote for #3 in your options AND send from a remote position only NOT by your side for awhile...Randy
    I was hoping Randy would pipe in on this discussion, dogs with voice is his specialty.

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    Not sure why Jerry has not responded but I know he went to the beach. I don't think I have ever seen him spin but I guess jerry has. This dog is not a Spinner like the ones I have seen. I had one one time. Also momentum is not a problem with this dog,just the opposite. Like I said ,and told Jerry just walk up and kick him off. I have also seen him bark after a cast in the field. This happens usually after some pressure for taking a wrong cast.
    The next time we train together I'll make a video. I'm sure Jerry appreciates the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labman63 View Post
    Not sure why Jerry has not responded but I know he went to the beach. I don't think I have ever seen him spin but I guess jerry has. This dog is not a Spinner like the ones I have seen. I had one one time. Also momentum is not a problem with this dog,just the opposite. Like I said ,and told Jerry just walk up and kick him off. I have also seen him bark after a cast in the field. This happens usually after some pressure for taking a wrong cast.
    The next time we train together I'll make a video. I'm sure Jerry appreciates the advice.
    Your advise is exactly what I suggested in my second post. I think you're right on.

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    another one of those, "sit back and shake your head back and forth threads" on RTF.....

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    I appreciate the replies everyone. He rarely spins. There isn't any issue with momentum at all ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    I don't see this as addressing the problem in any way. He said the longer he waits the worse the problem becomes Please expound
    Sharon hasn't come back but I'm sure she will agree with me.

    Simply waiting until the dog settles is teaching him that he will only get what he wants (to be released) by exhibiting an acceptable behavior, that being to sit quietly and relax. The idea then is to launch him in a more relaxed mind set so that the symptom of the anxiety (bark/spin) doesn't occur. Over time this will re-form into a new set of habits for the dog.

    This is not un-similar to simply stepping in and launching him. In that method you're just not giving him a chance to get any more anxious because you're not fidgeting around trying to line him up.

    Same goes for sending from a remote position. If he's anxious at your side or anticipating pressure there, send him from a different position where he should be more relaxed.

    As has been noted there are a number of ways to address the issue. These are probably the least risky for someone who might dig themselves a hole otherwise (IMHO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon Potter View Post
    Solution: Line him up, then stand up straight and wait. How long? Until he settles and relaxes. Then send.
    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    I don't see this as addressing the problem in any way. He said the longer he waits the worse the problem becomes Please expound
    Perhaps she's suggesting that the dog may figure out that he doesn't get a dang thing until he's steady and quiet
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