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    After all this talk and all these congressional hearings and reports there is still no evidence of any conspiracy or cover up. No one disagrees that the state department did not have adequate security, but let's keep in mind that the Ambassador himself refused additional security at one time.

    As evidenced in the many threads on this topic, the right wing base continues to cling to Benghazi. Here again is the list of attacks on diplomatic facilities during the Bush administration. Why no similar outrage then and all the outrage now?
    January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

    June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

    October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

    February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

    May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

    July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

    December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

    March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

    September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

    January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

    March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

    July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

    September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
    A search of "Embassy attacks under Reagan" will find even more deaths. No outrage then either.

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    The only problem I have with the Obama administrations handling of this situation is Obama's blatant lie telling in attempt to make his self proclaimed defeat of terrorism a fact in spite of the real facts. Hmm, let's see, blatant lies.......is this the only time he's lied directly to the American people? Nope, the man is a liar and has no credibility. I asked directly previously in this thread if certain people believed that the attack took place as explained by Susan Rice and got no answer. Hmmm, I wonder why that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    After all this talk and all these congressional hearings and reports there is still no evidence of any conspiracy or cover up. No one disagrees that the state department did not have adequate security, but let's keep in mind that the Ambassador himself refused additional security at one time.

    As evidenced in the many threads on this topic, the right wing base continues to cling to Benghazi. Here again is the list of attacks on diplomatic facilities during the Bush administration. Why no similar outrage then and all the outrage now?


    A search of "Embassy attacks under Reagan" will find even more deaths. No outrage then either.
    The kicker being that inadequate security isn't a criminal act that justifies a special prosecutor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntClub View Post
    The only problem I have with the Obama administrations handling of this situation is Obama's blatant lie telling in attempt to make his self proclaimed defeat of terrorism a fact in spite of the real facts. Hmm, let's see, blatant lies.......is this the only time he's lied directly to the American people? Nope, the man is a liar and has no credibility. I asked directly previously in this thread if certain people believed that the attack took place as explained by Susan Rice and got no answer. Hmmm, I wonder why that is.

    You know that, and along with the other conservatives on this BB, I know that. But the fools that put their chief prevaricator in office, and continue to speak up for and protect him by backing his pathetic policies, will always stick up for this regime, even if it meant killing several Americans. There is no shame in the left, only a continued grab for power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    The kicker being that inadequate security isn't a criminal act that justifies a special prosecutor.
    Maybe not, but witholding rescue, then lying about it to the world may be... But what does it matter, at this point anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    Maybe not, but witholding rescue, then lying about it to the world may be... But what does it matter, at this point anyway?
    You can bet it doesn't matter to the libs, lefties, socialists, Marxists etc that find no fault with their regime. As long as the Obamaites can continue to provide the talking points to the MSP, so the low-info voters, SFN crowd, welfarists, and of course the innumerable white guilt sycophants continue to only receive the views from the oligarchy in office, conservatives will have an uphill battle. In my view, if it doesn't get at least slightly corrected in this years midterm elections, the USA will continue it's move toward socialism/communism for several generations.

    As I've proffered in previous threads...
    The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

    A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

    The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

    The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

    People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again concern myself with the aforementioned Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

    You will never again out vote the people who gave Obama four more years.

    It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away.

    It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

    Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

    Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    You can bet it doesn't matter to the libs, lefties, socialists, Marxists etc that find no fault with their regime. As long as the Obamaites can continue to provide the talking points to the MSP, so the low-info voters, SFN crowd, welfarists, and of course the innumerable white guilt sycophants continue to only receive the views from the oligarchy in office, conservatives will have an uphill battle. In my view, if it doesn't get at least slightly corrected in this years midterm elections, the USA will continue it's move toward socialism/communism for several generations.

    As I've proffered in previous threads...
    The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

    A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

    The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

    The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

    People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again concern myself with the aforementioned Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

    You will never again out vote the people who gave Obama four more years.

    It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away.

    It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

    Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

    Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.


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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ighest-milita/

    An Army Delta Force commando who infiltrated Benghazi to rescue U.S. diplomats, spies and security officers during a 2012 terrorist attack “was critical to the success of saving numerous lives,” according to a citation awarding him the military’s second-highest honor.


    Delta Force’s role was not disclosed in any public report or congressional testimony. The Army citation for the Distinguished Service Cross, posted on a website for Army personnel, provides the first detailed look at what one of the commandos, Master Sgt. David R. Halbruner, accomplished.


    The Washington Times reported in November that two members of Delta Force, the Army’s premier counterterrorism unit, were among seven U.S. personnel who went to Benghazi, Libya, on a rescue mission the night of Sept. 11, 2012. The second Delta member, a Marine, was awarded the Navy Cross for heroism, The Times reported.


    The Distinguished Service Cross and the Navy Cross are the second-highest military awards in precedence, below the Medal of Honor.
    the rescuers chartered a plane in Tripoli. They landed in Benghazi around 1 a.m. and made their way via convoy to a CIA annex where Americans were fighting off various terrorist groups, including Ansar al Sharia, which had attacked the mission.The Army’s one-paragraph award narrative does not identify Sgt. Halbruner by his unit, only as “a team leader for a joint task force in support of an overseas contingency operation.” It also does not name the country.
    But the citation’s dates for his heroism — Sept. 11 to Sept. 12, 2012 — dovetail with when the rescue team left Tripoli and completed its mission by getting about 30 Americans onto aircraft bound for Tripoli. Sources confirmed to The Times in November that a Delta solider was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    So.... There was a rescue mounted????
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    So.... There was a rescue mounted????
    It appears so. However, none of the testimony so far from higher ups has indicated that so far. They all insisted that there were no assets close enough to do anything. These fellas arrived in about 2-1/2 hours from the beginning of the attack.

    The chartering of the plane sounds similar to Hicks' testimony, though. I don't recall who took responsibility for sending the group Hicks was talking about. Then my recall (which could be faulty) was that those men were told to stay at the airport. Could a few of them have decided not to stay at the airport? If a mission was mounted, why was the military willing to let the world think they were so unprepared? Did it seem more strategically useful to let that be the perception to the enemy? If so, why change that now?

    There still seem to be some pieces of the puzzle that are missing.
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