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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    Your problem goes all the way back to the very foundation of obedience, which is having the dog engaged with you, rather than his environment/wants/desires.
    That's it in a nutshell.

    We do a lot of backward heeling exercises as it teaches the mutt to stay on its toes and pay attention.
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    Thanks for all the great feed back I have received. I am going to go read Sharon's article in a moment.

    I wish everyone here could see what is going on with this dog. He is OB trained. In the yard he is fine, and when in the field by himsef working with birds, or taking him out to places like a flea market, Lowes, petsmart, etc there are no issues as was described when he is going from blind to blind at a HT or monthly club day.

    Now take him to a Hunt Test or a group training day and Satan comes out. In that statement I mean he runs all the marks great. It's getting him to the mat in that environment is the issue. This is also the dog that squeals like a pig going out to the water marks in the water series. He is extremely high drive in a HT or group training session where he has a sense of competition

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    This is also the dog that squeals like a pig going out to the water marks in the water series. He is extremely high drive in a HT or group training session where he has a sense of competition
    What you're experiencing is simply a break down in obedience under the most distracting situation your dog encounters. If you think competition is the issue then you can easily create that with another buddy or two. I suspect it's more an issue of frustration over being made to wait though. One thing people forget about hunting tests and training days is how much slower the pace is relative to a training session with your buddies. You dog runs once every six dogs in training and once every 60 in a test. You move through holding blinds pretty quickly in training because you don't normally use 3-5 of them and line of 5 dogs in advance. There usually aren't enough people for that to happen since others have to be in the field throwing so you walk into the last holding blind while the dog before you is finishing up and off you go pretty fast. It all slows down at a test. Also, you are probably more fidgety and working harder for perfection on line in a testing environment than you are in training. This stands to reason especially at the water marks. Another thing is how many birds you dog gets in a training session vs. a test. In a MH test you're going to see as many as 13-15 birds where in training if you run two series it may only be 6 or 8. Water marks being last he is going to be amped through the roof and frustrated because you're insisting he be steady and line up right on memory birds.

    Just some things to think about.
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    It comes with the territory of inexperience. Coming to grips with it is a process.

    Here is one "page" dedicated to my vast experience and slow progress in changing. You might find some common ground to provide a better perspective of what the issues really are. It is probably best explained in a single phrase "coined" by my pro friend "It's not the dog."

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    Totally agree with Darrin. There are other ways to get the excitement up, also. Best money I ever spent was a regular obedience class. Not for the instruction but for crowded environment of 10 other dogs and people. OB was rock solid in the park and yard. Not so much at the first class.


    Heck even weekly trips to practice heeling at Petsmart will help. Then move up the distractions.
    It isn't an equipment issue, it is a time and exposure issue.

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    I have been working through similar issues with my dog. After I got an expert involved, the first thing he made ME do was admit the dog was f-ing me in those situations and taking over as pack leader. Its hard to admit sometimes and any time you make an excuse, just insert "my dog is f-ing me". After that it all came down to obedience and I believe the finished product is a dog that pays attention to you and only you, no matter the situation. It is really hard not to let the dog run when in a group training or test but that's when we let our dogs F us the most if we let them.
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    Dogs are situational learners and also read handlers better than we read dogs. He's learned HT's are exciting and is feeding off your excitement as well. Finding ways to get both in training is key to working through OB.

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    A "routine" in the holding blinds help also.

    A submissive posture like havin g the dog "down" (lie down), so it is facing OUT of the blind, with you standing upright,making sure to keep eye contact with the dog.

    The way in wich you call your dog toheel as you leave that blind and progress to the next blind, should also become a "routine".

    I step back from the blind, and have the dog come to ME which will be in a direction AWAY from the line, then once the dog is at heel, start a slow deliberate walk to the next blind, keeping that heel standard very high. This is where the Wonder lead works well. Keep slack in the lead, and when coorection is necessary, or when the dog "Pulls" the lead instantly applies pressure.

    ALWAYS at training days, set up holding blinds and make this part of every training day,


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    Quote Originally Posted by KwickLabs View Post
    It comes with the territory of inexperience. Coming to grips with it is a process.

    Here is one "page" dedicated to my vast experience and slow progress in changing. You might find some common ground to provide a better perspective of what the issues really are. It is probably best explained in a single phrase "coined" by my pro friend "It's not the dog."

    The Hunt Test "Wise" Dog (link)
    Jim

    Now this was insightful, and helpful. Thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    Jim

    Now this was insightful, and helpful. Thank you!!
    When you see Jim post you would do well to pay attention.

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