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    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...onathan-strong

    Ron Johnson of WI proposes to grandfather present plans to keep people in their present plans, and out of O-care if they don't want to be.

    I doubt that his bill will make much headway, since the whole O-care proposition depends on getting those people into O-care and out of other plans they now have. Universal coverage only works when there is universal participation, including the younger, healthier people.

    I find it interesting that this article refers to a state-run "high risk pool" that will disappear as a result of O-care coming on the scene.

    The WI program is funded by a tax on other people's health insurance, but the participants also pay a substantial amount themselves (in the case cited in the article). Presumably, Medicaid might be used for other individuals less able to pay as much as the case mentioned in the article.

    If other insureds were paying just $10/mo (maybe 2 million such people in WI, maybe a lot more?) that would be $20 million/mo. That could go a long way to covering the 20,000 high risk insureds in WI state program. That would allot about $1000/mo for each of those high risk policies; plus whatever the insureds, themselves, are paying in premiums.

    There has to be a better way to reach the desired goal.
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    I am ok grandfathering old plans, however the mandate to have insurance should remain in tact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    I am ok grandfathering old plans, however the mandate to have insurance should remain in tact.
    Only if one lives in a Totalitarian State do they have to live by mandates. A Free People live by their decissions and take responsibility for their actions!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    I am ok grandfathering old plans, however the mandate to have insurance should remain in tact.
    The grandfathering of old plans was intended ... but they changed their minds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    I am ok grandfathering old plans, however the mandate to have insurance should remain in tact.

    Are in favor of grandfathering junk insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Are in favor of grandfathering junk insurance?
    Not everyone had a junk plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Only if one lives in a Totalitarian State do they have to live by manadates. A Free People live by their decissions and take responsibility for their actions!
    Franco....well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Franco....well said!
    Thanks Swamp, I should have typed mandates
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    There are true atrocities that are being carried out by Totalitarian governments. I could point to disappearing and poisoned journalists in Russia, or whole scale genocide is Sudan or entire villages being executed in Syria. You do not live in a Totalitarian Society, period. We are not even close to being on our way to becoming one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    There are true atrocities that are being carried out by Totalitarian governments. I could point to disappearing and poisoned journalists in Russia, or whole scale genocide is Sudan or entire villages being executed in Syria. You do not live in a Totalitarian Society, period. We are not even close to being on our way to becoming one.
    Maybe, you just don't know what real freedom is. We have a government that is spying on its own people, a revenue collection system that takes a theif's cut of one's income, government forced mandates, lobbyist controlled Congress, a government that forces you to contribute to SS then steals the money(SS is this countries largest Debt holder), one that refuses to secure our boarders and wants to reward the illegals with Amnesty because they are cowards when it comes to doing their job and a government that is becoming more and more socialist everyday by villifying those that are productive! A government that promotes Croney Capitalism and discourages Free Trade. The bigger the government the more Liberties we cede to them!
    Last edited by Franco; 10-30-2013 at 07:05 AM.
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