the great dogs from limited backgrounds "sports" or throwbacks to some famous ancestor from the gene pool. After all if I remember my high school genetics, %50 sire and dam, %25. grandparents, 12.5% or sumthing like that G grandparents and about %6. gg grandparents AND the rest who cares. Either way 6 dogs contribute %75. of the make-up on the dogs rather then perhaps who gets the dog and the training they receive. There are some great trainers out there that have the know how to recognize what they have etc. Besides Pickering there are others too who have had National Finalists with absolutely nothing in the pedigrees amateur trained. Several come to mind.