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    A lot of the comments above are good. I never used a man made marker on the PB's. Instead I used a large tree(s), a bushy cedar, and the corner of a cornfield (ok that might qualify as manmade). I will return to pattern blinds and use something bright.

    This time change will put a real damper on our evening work.

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    When on the T field, how did you deal with this? Did you do enroute force while doing force to pile on the T field?

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    Enroute force was only needed a few times. In T work he knows where the "back" pile is and he runs to it unless stopped.

    Bridget, I think the wagon wheel idea might do some good. Maybe I havent done enough. I can see where as I add spokes he will have to ignore the additional bumpers and head for the one he is lined on.

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    Enroute force was only needed a few times. In T work he knows where the "back" pile is and he runs to it unless stopped.

    Bridget, I think the wagon wheel idea might do some good. Maybe I havent done enough. I can see where as I add spokes he will have to ignore the additional bumpers and head for the one he is lined on.
    I think because you only gave a couple of nicks to the back pile and your dog is soft that you may not be able to incorporate the "back,nick,back" to help momentum on cold blinds. but don't quote me on that. just a possibility
    May be try it with no nick and see what happens.
    Bridgets idea of the WW is a good idea but do it in a way that makes his ears come up or move forward to help him maintain focus.
    When a bumper is chosen give him a" good" spoken in a way that will make his ears perk up then give your lock and send. You can try this on a new field just for the hell of it. and just in case bad juju occurred there.

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    then when he perking up change from white to orange and see if he still perks up and locks then goes without hunting. You might then try lining drill s with white bumpers. Using the the perk up method before sending.
    I like using natural cover to identify blinds. When that time comes make your blinds short. hopefully he won't hunt.
    He seems to may be lacking in the focus area,,,so those little perk up cues may help him focus better and sustanin that focus long enough to get out to the bird.
    Use birds on your short blinds ,,,may be that will help,,,if it makes matters worse then stop.
    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think because you only gave a couple of nicks to the back pile and your dog is soft that you may not be able to incorporate the "back,nick,back" to help momentum on cold blinds. but don't quote me on that. just a possibility
    May be try it with no nick and see what happens.
    Bridgets idea of the WW is a good idea but do it in a way that makes his ears come up or move forward to help him maintain focus.
    When a bumper is chosen give him a" good" spoken in a way that will make his ears perk up then give your lock and send. You can try this on a new field just for the hell of it. and just in case bad juju occurred there.

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    Most definitely , this should be a NO pressure drill . It will take a few times for the dog to get comfortable , but you will soon see him start to lock on...keep doing just the first tier of all white until he is locking on...before adding a second tier of orange. You don't want to erode his confidence right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauge123 View Post
    Enroute force was only needed a few times. In T work he knows where the "back" pile is and he runs to it unless stopped.

    Bridget, I think the wagon wheel idea might do some good. Maybe I havent done enough. I can see where as I add spokes he will have to ignore the additional bumpers and head for the one he is lined on.
    You didn't mention what program you're following. What transitional drills have you done beyond pattern blinds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauge123 View Post
    Enroute force was only needed a few times. In T work he knows where the "back" pile is and he runs to it unless stopped.

    Bridget, I think the wagon wheel idea might do some good. Maybe I havent done enough. I can see where as I add spokes he will have to ignore the additional bumpers and head for the one he is lined on.
    So you are saying "he knows what to do and he's doing what he wants to do, therefore I don't make him do it." As long as you're letting him run the show, you can expect him to search for bumpers anywhere he wants....

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    I was able to correct this same behavior in my dog using a simple ladder drill. Once he understood the concept of continuing along the same line until another bumper appeared, his performance on all blinds improved dramatically. The ladder drill also improved his drive which I attribute to an increase in confidence.

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