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Thread: Waterfowl hunting with factory choke tubes??

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    I also think that the black cloud would have the pellets with the rings spread out more but I also have found that unlike the round pellets the ones with the cutter ring do not have feathers on them thus getting better penetration. just my 2 cents.

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    If you shoot black cloud ammo make sure you get the Patternmaster choke tube designed for it. Regular Patternmaster choke tubes are absolutely horrible with black cloud ammo. The reason why is the studs inside of the choke tube stop the wad from performing like it should. I shoot a SBEII and use a Terror choke with a .700 restriction for everything from dove to ducks and geese. This is a bit less than a full choke. It's a bit tight but patterns very well with a wide variety of loads. I liked it so much that I gave my son my SBEII and bought the Beretta A400 Extrema I also bought another Terror choke in the same constriction for it. Same results as with the SBEII. Great choke and keeps a very uniform pattern with a wide variety of loads.
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    Since a buddy of mine is a dealer for them I picked up a patternmaster yesterday. Shooting it Thurs., we'll see if I can notice a difference.

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    Since some are not fans of black cloud and I know every gun can perform a little differently. What is the best shell and choke recommended for the A400 that you have found.
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    You guys that shoot Black Cloud and other shotshells with something other than circular shot, regardless of all the hype on choke tubes and penetration....be sure to check your patterns at a range. I did this and was surprised to find out that Black Cloud scattered badly at 40yds, regardless of penetration....I not paying extra for it anymore. I did use a choke tube made for Black Cloud....

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    I find it somewhat comedic on what people spend money on. Over $20 to $25 a box for shells is just plain silly to me. When people ask about a recommended choke without talking about a specific load exactly including FPS, oz size, shot size, length of shell, etc, you're going to get different results, even from the exact same model of gun or choke as all of them are typically mass produced and their tolerances are far from high craftsmanship level. I personally have 2 chokes that I use throughout the year.

    In my Maxus, shooting trap, sporting clays, dove, early season geese, geese and ducks up until freeze, I use a Briely light modified extended choke and #2's or BB for decoying waterfowl. I shoot 1 1/4oz 3" loads of Federal Blue box as that particular load I've found to pattern the best for the price. Red box I can get a little better pattern but it's not worth the extra $50 a case in my eyes. I consistently kill birds over decoys with this configuration.

    For longer shots and decoying snow geese in the spring or really late season winter geese, I'll use a custom choke I had turned for me by a local gunsmith that actually measure the barrel and cuts the restriction based off that and what you want to shoot with the choke. That choke comes from http://www.drakekiller.com His chokes are widely used by hunters up here wanting to add a little denser pattern at deeper distances and he does a lot of research and testing on patterning from different loads through his chokes. Even though it's custom, I've actually found it to be the same price or even less than the mass produced ones you find hanging on the shelves of your sporting good store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.fairhurst View Post
    Anybody experience with the Carlson designed for Black Cloud? Cabela's offers a three count set,close, mid and long range for $100.00

    I bought a Carlson light modified for my grandson's 20ga TriStar auto loader. I improved the pattern quite a bit. I wish I had of bought the deal with three in the package now.
    Why not order from Carlson's, they are very willing to answer any questions you might have about the choke tubes. I ordered and thought it would be maybe a week for it to show up, but I had it in three days.

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    I have never payed over $20 a box for shells and I shoot black clouds. Dont care if they are a gimmic or not they seem to perform well for me was just wondering if anyone had shot the Beretta with 3" black cloud #2 and after market chokes and which performed the best. Thought this was a product review section and will give your buddy a chance. Dont know what you pay for Blue Box federals but they are only about $1 cheaper than the Black Clouds i shoot.
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    After many years of shooting steel, you really need to work out a good shell to gun/choke pattern. I have tested many shells through my gun and even change the shells due to the manufacturer changed the formula. Right now I shoot a Beretta A 390 for ducks and Kent #3 with an imp mod factory choke. This works well for me. I shoot Black Cloud BBB in 3 1/2 and a Beretta Extreme for geese with the imp mod. You will need to do some patterening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brettttka View Post
    I have never payed over $20 a box for shells and I shoot black clouds. Dont care if they are a gimmic or not they seem to perform well for me was just wondering if anyone had shot the Beretta with 3" black cloud #2 and after market chokes and which performed the best. Thought this was a product review section and will give your buddy a chance. Dont know what you pay for Blue Box federals but they are only about $1 cheaper than the Black Clouds i shoot.
    Where are you able to buy blackcloud for $11 a box? The only Blackcloud I've used were during their testing of the snow goose loads when some hunting buddies were given a couple of cases to field test for them.
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