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Thread: Pup "Hates" T-Work ! Loves Pattern Blinds ?

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    When I was a fledgling trainer I worked with the late D.L. Walters at his place for several years. Early on I was having a problem similar to yours, and asked D.L. if I should just stop what I was doing. He said, "Well, you can do that. But your problem will still be there waiting for you when you get back. A better option would be to change how you're doing it, and end up with a trained dog. Training problems don't tend to get solved by quitting. They get better by learning to train through them." I've found that to be good advice.

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    For a long time I've stayed away from commenting on training threads, mostly because I've figured out enough to know that there is a lot that I don't know. Reading them though, I never cease to be amazed at the broad range of conflicting advice that gets thrown into the hat.
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    You are correct but ATTITUDES don't get better with more pressure.
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    When I was a fledgling trainer I worked with the late D.L. Walters at his place for several years. Early on I was having a problem similar to yours, and asked D.L. if I should just stop what I was doing. He said, "Well, you can do that. But your problem will still be there waiting for you when you get back. A better option would be to change how you're doing it, and end up with a trained dog. Training problems don't tend to get solved by quitting. They get better by learning to train through them." I've found that to be good advice.

    My email address is rushcreekpress@aol.com . Let's just train the dog, shall we?

    Evan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexdoolittle View Post
    You are correct but ATTITUDES don't get better with more pressure.
    I surely agree with that. Of course I'm still assessing this dog's training history, so I'm not recommending more pressure at this point. I'm also not recommending that he abandon training, but rather making a reasoned adjustment to how this dog is trained.

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    I don't think anyone suggesting; the trainer just quit on the T; rather that it's time to

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    All these problem that might "be laying in wait" can be addressed through different methods the t-pattern is a step not the end all. Dogs Souring on T-pattern; time to try something else, there are many other way to accomplish and proof the same solid skill set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    I don't think anyone suggesting; the trainer just quit on the T; rather that it's time to

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    Dogs Souring on T-pattern; time to try something else.
    Then we're in agreement. I am specifically trying to get a better look at how the training is being applied so that it may be better adapted to suit this dog. I can do better at that by seeing the training. T work, and other repetitive drill work can sure sour many dogs. But it isn't usually the drill that sours them. More often it's how the work is being done, and definitely how much of it. I'm not satisfied that I have enough info yet to make that assessment accurately. Once I get a better look at what's really going on here with this dog & trainer it may very well turn out to be simply time to move on. I just don't think we know that yet. Still waiting to hear from the OP on some video.

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    I am at work today/night, and will get with you tommorow! I will try to get some video, but I have tried that as well in the past by myself, and its not easy holding a phone and videoing, and handling a dog at the same time ! HAHAHA


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    Quote Originally Posted by flipinnpitchin View Post
    I am at work today/night, and will get with you tommorow! I will try to get some video, but I have tried that as well in the past by myself, and its not easy holding a phone and videoing, and handling a dog at the same time ! HAHAHA


    Evan I will Email you tommorow THANKS !
    Use a tywrap or velcro wrap to attach your phone to a stickman pole or blind pole far enough behind and a little to the side of you so your handling and the dog are captured. You'll have to fiddle with it a little to get it aligned properly and still be able to press the record button.

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    Rowdy struggled getting through the T. But he really came into his own when we left the drugery of the T. I would be interested in seeing a video also. Conclusion MIGHT be to move on.
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