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    Default 5 for all of Oct in DC

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-for-exchange/

    Ya think maybe those getting screwed have said enough?
    Cancel notices have been out.
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    Well, Delaware enrolled 4.

    I'd guess that numbers will pick up some as we move closer to mid-Feb, the date needed to be covered by 3/31/14 ... sort of like everyone waiting till the closing night for a trial. By then the website ought to be functional?
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    AS of October 18th, Ct. had enrolled over 3500. We have our own IT network and it hasn't been a problem, so far.

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    AS of October 18th, Ct. had enrolled over 3500. We have our own IT network and it hasn't been a problem, so far.

    Similar to schoolwork, if you don't put the effort in, you fail. But then again it's supposed to fail. At least according to all the experts on here.-Paul

    UMMMmmeerrrr It did fail miserably. And even if it didn't ,,,the cost alone for that website is failure in it self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    Well, Delaware enrolled 4.

    I'd guess that numbers will pick up some as we move closer to mid-Feb, the date needed to be covered by 3/31/14 ... sort of like everyone waiting till the closing night for a trial. By then the website ought to be functional?
    Forget the uninsured for a minute. The clock is ticking faster on the insured who are being canceled. These are the people that were already purchasing private insurance. They want to be insured and were.
    BCBSNC had 95% of the private policies in NC. Rates are increasing on the healthy by 100s per month for less coverage. If you were cancelled and mapped to a new plan (6 thousand more per year for us for less coverage) you only have until Dec 15th to choose a plan other than the mapped one.
    IF you do not qualify for a subsidy you can find the details of your options (WHICH SUCK) by going directly thru their website or the only other player (Coventry) thats garbage.
    You must go thru the gov't website to get your TAXPAYER STOLEN MONEY.
    Hihope Hiland Heathen of Perth CD, RE, CGC, TDI

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    AS of October 18th, Ct. had enrolled over 3500. We have our own IT network and it hasn't been a problem, so far.

    Similar to schoolwork, if you don't put the effort in, you fail. But then again it's supposed to fail. At least according to all the experts on here.-Paul
    It was designed as a redistribution scheme. Six thousand more per year for less coverage!
    Hihope Hiland Heathen of Perth CD, RE, CGC, TDI

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    AS of October 18th, Ct. had enrolled over 3500. We have our own IT network and it hasn't been a problem, so far.

    Similar to schoolwork, if you don't put the effort in, you fail. But then again it's supposed to fail. At least according to all the experts on here.-Paul
    Have they said how many enrollees were for Medicaid, and how many for O-care? In WA and OR, with their own exchanges, they enrolled tens of thousands, but most were enrolling in Medicaid.

    We know that the uninsured need to be enrolled in some plan by 2/15, but those who are presently insured need to be enrolled in a new plan by 12/15 (or they will be uninsured by 1/1). Logically, those being cancelled who are sick or have children, would be the ones most likely to enroll by 12/15. Those less motivated may "coast" without insurance until 2/15.

    To help those presently insured, it becomes imperative that the website be operating effectively and accurately by 11/30! Those insured will have only two weeks to find the right plan and enroll without lapse in coverage. If the site is not working by then, will Obama have no choice but to extend those "old" plans until the site IS working?

    Right now our PA Sen. Casey (D) and Gov. Corbett (R) are having a "debate". Casey wants Corbett to expand the Medicaid program (per O-care law). Corbett feels that Medicaid $ could be better used if the state was allowed to use it to have private insurors provide Medicaid benefits. (I guess that would be sort of like "Medicare Advantage", where the govt gives the Medicaid Part A & B premiums paid to the insurance companies to administer Medicare benefits).

    It would appear that many doctors and hospitals are already refusing to add new Medicaid patients, and some also refusing Medicare patients. If Medicare payments are reduced (as has been threatened many times), it won't matter if these people are "insured" if nobody will treat them except in the emergency room.

    Ironically, single payer won't solve this problem either, unless the govt goes further and disallows all medical care outside of its system. UK is now actually encouraging people to get care outside of the govt system. That should be a wake-up call.

    End result, those who can afford to pay for their care or very good insurance benefits get care. Those at the lower end of the food chain, don't. (or they get inferior care). That seems a rather brutal way to solve the entitlement issue, much more heartless than decreasing Food Stamps by $36/mo.

    When we look at those countries with universal health care: UK has about 63 million people (about 20% of US population; maybe about the same as NYS + CA). Canada has about 35 million (about 11% of US population; or the population of NYS alone). Switzerland and Sweden 8 or 9 million (each country about the size of NYC all by itself)

    China and India have populations about 4X the US (that would be somewhat similar to US being 5X the size of UK). How does universal health care work for them?

    If it is difficult to manage single payer on such a much smaller scale, the prospect of the size of the bureaucracy needed to manage the much larger scale of the US just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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    Just for the heck of it I went to the Ct website. I found the closest plan to our current BCBSNC plan.
    Its 200 more than our mapped BCBSNC plan. It has higher copays and a higher worst case situation out of pocket. Those 3500 must be getting the taxpayer funded subsidies!
    Hihope Hiland Heathen of Perth CD, RE, CGC, TDI

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