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    It's refreshing to say the least to not have to deal with a what program do you use on RTF, but, shotgun related to a Remington 870 opinion. OK here is my opinion on the Remington 870 12 gauge. My background with this particular shotgun. As former police officer and a patrol Sgt. for a few years the standard shotgun was a Remington 870 12 gauge 18 inch bbl with a 2 and 3/4 chamber. We shot clay birds for practice with number 8 lead for gaining confidence and of course loaded with 00 for duty work. Occasionaly we would use 00 or 0 buckshot for combat practice too. I had several women under my command and they had no issues with shooting the 870. It can be broken down with ease for cleaning etc. Short bbl did produce some muzzle blast but the low base #8's helped alleviate any flinching problems.

    Moving on to the hunting issues. I purchased my first 870 Wingmaster Modified choke 12 gauge in 1968 new for I think $85? I shot Trap, (tight modified) several deer with a slug bbl and who knows how many ducks, grouse, woodcock, geese, doves barn pigeons and flyers at field trials. The slide is white with wear. Still own it and still shoot it. Later I bought a slightly used 870 with a IC bbl. Again shot so many flyers at field trials and training can't count them. It is in my truck now and used it just last week for ducks hunting over decoys #4 steel IC and shot doves earlier in the season #8's. Sitting next to it in a case is also my Browning Magnus 12 gauge all pretty etc and sometimes is next to my 390 Silver Mallard or my 12 gauge Citori. I bought the IC bbl on e-bay for about 75 bucks and use it also on phesants . I find myself using my Remington 870's more then my "pretty guns" oh yeah I am a member of a gun club too.. Now there is some fellows at the gun club who called themselves the "old Geezers" they have killed locally last count 157 geese 49 ducks between the six of them. The best shot I saw was a bonified 70 yards shot using a 10 gauge by the holder of several state Wisconsin skeet championships. MOSTLY however thier shots over decoys are 25 to 30 yards or less. In fact one of the guys has a very fine QAA retriever we three own and have trained, leaves the dog in the truck sometimes because the retrieves are too short. His choice not mine I always take my dogs. So a 2 and 3/4 steel shot Nos two, one or even BBs highbase will do the trick, in my opinion on geese and certainly except for severe pass shooting will get you all the birds you can shoot, if you can hit them. OK, now lets bring up the hitting them, buy a case of 12 gauge loads, go to the local trap, sporting clays or use a hand held thrower and practice with the case of no. 8's. I buy my cases for about $67. bucks.

    My advice buy number 1 and never look back as you can check around down the road for a extra bbl. Stocks can be adjusted, might not look pretty but can be adjusted.
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    I'd go with #2 if it has to be one of those two guns only. Barrel weight may feel heavier to start, but it smooths out your swing once you get used to it. The stock can be cut down or replaced to fit.
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    I'm sorry but the gun is not an older fixed choke gun as described in Chuck Hawk's article. The gun is a waterfowl gun that came on the market with the advent of steel shot and the barrel was designed to shoot the steel. I believe that Chuck Hawks is describing the gun barrels of guns that are pre steel shot.


    Also, the receiver of my gun is stamped 3" Magnum, something I don't think you find on other 870's. This is a waterfowl gun, this is not the standard model 870. I believe I bought it the first year it was out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firehouselabs View Post

    Gun A:

    Pros: Lighter, shorter reach which is VERY comfortable for me, gun really seems to fit and seems to be very balanced (female, shorter arms, smaller hands) and my soon to be 10 yr old son will also be using the gun in the near future…hopefully! This gun is also $50 cheaper than the other,!
    buy gun A now. the fit is important. it will kill something for you this season if nothing more than time, in the field and marsh with family and friends.
    I think B is the better gun. But that is not the point. You do not need the 1/4 second hesitation while shouldering a gun to worry if it will come up smooth.
    buy gun A now, pick up some shells with the $50 you saved and have fun. shinny is fine, 2 3/4 shells are fine, fixed choke is fine. just get in the field and hunt.
    and NEXT year save up for gun B or one like. it is the better gun, your brain is right saying buy, buy, buy.
    BUT!!!!! that same brain needs the confidance of a gun that fits you more better than the other.

    A is the choice, today! Go Buy it now!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    buy gun A now. the fit is important. ... A is the choice...
    Ken's right and if you need extra power, instead of 3&1/2 in steel (that kicks like a mule), get some Hevishot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    I'm sorry but the gun is not an older fixed choke gun as described in Chuck Hawk's article. The gun is a waterfowl gun that came on the market with the advent of steel shot and the barrel was designed to shoot the steel. I believe that Chuck Hawks is describing the gun barrels of guns that are pre steel shot.


    Also, the receiver of my gun is stamped 3" Magnum, something I don't think you find on other 870's. This is a waterfowl gun, this is not the standard model 870. I believe I bought it the first year it was out.
    Magnum just meant chambered to 3". The word Steel on the barrel should indicate steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Stroyan View Post
    Ken's right and if you need extra power, instead of 3&1/2 in steel (that kicks like a mule), get some Hevishot.
    I'm confused. If gun A (the old 870) is indeed pre-steel (which the price might reflect that) why would that be the choice? Because you can run hevi-shot at 3 bucks a shell through it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HNTFSH View Post
    I'm confused. ... why would that be the choice? ?
    it fits her.
    better to get a shot off, on targer with limited shot choice
    than no shot off at all because gun is stuck in armpit or poofy coat.
    gun A fits.
    gun B cumbersome.
    this ain't rocket surgery
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    BTW ducks die just fine with 2 3/4 kent #4's or any similar on sale department store rounds.
    a lot of shotgun shells are just like fishing lures, and you know what they say about fishing lures???
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    would you be interested in an Ithaca 37? my buddy collects them like a bad habit and he has some sweet pre-war guns

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