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    Friend's dog:

    Dog yelps during a cast in a water blind. Sometimes, but rarely during cast in a land blind.

    Dog is about 5 yrs, has 2 Master passes, several Qual Jams and an SH title.

    How do you communicate to the dog not to vocalize in mid cast??? How does dog know if you're unhappy with the cast or unhappy with the sound???

    Dog takes wonderful casts and carries them on land and in water.

    Has anyone had this particular issue and any success with it.

    Owner said dog has always done this, but it has not presented a real problem until now. Most judges haven't had a problem with it, but this weekend, he was failed in a Master test in the water blind because of it.


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    They failed the dog on a yelp during the cast??? I'd like to know from the judges what they had a problem with, unless that was just icing on the cake to fail from other work issues that day. Either one big thing or several small things can get you on a given day.
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    That is usually a result of expecting pressure with the cast in training. It's kind of an anxiety thing with a dog trying hard to please. Like Kendall I'm kind of surprised he was dropped for it, unless it was loud, obnoxious and repetitive.

    Does this dog give many cast refusals in and around water? If not I'd back off on collar corrections in and around the water, let the dog relax a bit and it should go away.

    edit: I just read that the dog has always done this, in that case I don't what to do except not run under those judges again.

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    It's a tough one, for sure. Definitely sounds like an anxiety issue regarding water blinds, but not from collar pressure, as he hasn't used one. He said he has used call ins, but quickly realized that wasn't going to work. The owner says the dog takes every cast and carries it, just lets out a yelp as he takes off on the cast.

    At 5 yrs old with that many trials and tests under his belt, I'm not sure there's much to do... But if anyone has dealt with this with success, it would be very helpful to hear!

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    is it a golden? I know of a golden bitch that does this also , I guided the owner through basics and the bitch titled MH at 3+ yrs without ever having failed a test at all three levels, also got a QAA jam. The owner is NOT collar happy and neither am I . The bitch only does it on water blinds. She IS a high rolling dog and it is like she is frustrated at being stopped and not able to get there fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridget Bodine View Post
    is it a golden? I know of a golden bitch that does this also , I guided the owner through basics and the bitch titled MH at 3+ yrs without ever having failed a test at all three levels, also got a QAA jam. The owner is NOT collar happy and neither am I . The bitch only does it on water blinds. She IS a high rolling dog and it is like she is frustrated at being stopped and not able to get there fast enough.
    What did you do to try to solve it? Or did you just let it go?

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    We have judges in the southeast who will drop a dog for any noise, any noise.
    Of course they don't run dogs now and haven't in years.
    The rulebook allows some leeway on the noise issue but a yep!
    I kinda like the attitude when one yelps like
    "I got it boss"
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    Maybe the judge determined that the yelp was loud enough to disturb the hunt worse than those pesky shotgun blasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_em View Post
    Maybe the judge determined that the yelp was loud enough to disturb the hunt worse than those pesky shotgun blasts.

    Hee hee hee

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    Nope , she just leaves her alone. I THINK that her doing agility with the dog plays into it. I am pretty sure she is a barker in agility
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