Barring extreme circumstances, I don't think it would be a problem at any hunt test. At a FT, I agree with Breck. Wingers are used far less often at FTs, most often only at the flyer station. With those long guns, not having the movement of the thrower would make it very hard for the dog, IMO.
The live gun shot is exciting for the dogs, it affects their performance in my (very limited) experience.
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I clarified with an AKC official that they is no problem using primers. Any noise making device may ne used as long as it gets the dogs attention. The exact quote was:
"As long as the "noise" making device accomplishes its purpose (getting the dogs attention) then the mechanism is alright. The 209 primer makes a sufficient noise as long as the distances are not too great or the wind is not out of the wrong direction. There is no Regulation stipulating that shotgun blanks have to be used"
With that said, I have seen several clubs moving to these types of wingers/primers. Our club is looking at them as well.
As for the cadence of the shot/bird in a HT, there is not certain sequence that has to be followed. The purpose of the shot is to get the dogs attention only. As long as it does, and they see the bird, then it has served its purpose. There are judges that like a certain sequence. In those cases, clubs should have shotgun poppers available.
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I have but one bit of advice to add to this topic. It will be almost impossible to meet every single suggested requirement in a Hunt Test. If we must "fall short" in any given area......I say do not "fall short" on the safety of the kid manning the station for the sake of a poochy lipped handler that doesn't think his dog will be given a fair audible.
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I don't worry about the sound of the primer being loud enough. The few field trial pros I have trained with use 209 pistols regularly. The cadence is probably more of an issue. I see lots of dogs miss marks because of the echo of the popper loads. It is easier, cheaper & safer to use 209's or Thunders. What advantage does a regular popper load have?