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    Quote Originally Posted by blake_mhoona View Post
    where's the distance so far? longest bird has been like 250 and longest blind 235? i expected more meat in a national (at least judging from the nat am and national last year that i kept up with) and less "training setups" like Mom and Pops and Flower Pots.

    also in this 6th series why wouldnt you have the far left gun throwing right to make converging marks from the flyer station? and why retire a 100 yard go bird on the "pop" of the mom and pop? why not the long middle retired?
    That's a lot of "why's" and "where's", Blake. As great as these dogs are, they are still just dogs. It's not that hard to get them in trouble with a well placed bird at any distance. When you have 60-90 dogs running you just don't have time to run that many dogs at those long distances. Also, as has been said already, you don't really need to have the distance to get answers if you have decent grounds (they do) and water.

    If you keep running trials you will start to see this and learn that long doesn't always mean quality... Sometimes it just means long.
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    without giving the dogs number out and only being able to go off what the blog gives us what do you think was the deciding factor in cutting this dog after 3? again i'm not trying to stir the pot i'm truly interested in learning. obviously being there and seeing it in person would probably give us all more of an idea but judging from the callbacks most of the dogs cut had handles and this one didnt. the short retired in 3rd could have been better but is that as bad as a handle?

    most of my picks are still in it so i dont have a dog in the fight. just curious

    1st & 2nd
    Flyer: traveled left of the bird then immediately turned to retrieve the bird.
    Mem: Drilled it!
    Blind: early whistle up front, with few whistles to complete the retrieve.

    3rd
    Flyer: Pinned it!
    SR: traveled a line wide and right of the holding blind, squared the pond exitng to the right of the gun station driving deep up the hill to turn and make a large loop to the correct side of the holding blind down to the area to complete the retrieve.
    LR: traveled a nice line under the arc of the mark cont. to drive up the hill and then hunted her way back to the bird.

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    I am not a field trialer nor have I ever seen one. I would have went to Cheraw except I had to travel for work this week. I have been to some hunt tests there so I know some of the property.

    I am really enjoying the blog. The set up descriptions and commentaries are fun to read. The pictures are cool. I can almost picture the dogs working.

    Kudos to those folks who are there doing the play by play. I hope they do this at every national. I will be watching for it.
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    Blake, the long retired in the 3rd series was at about 350. Trust me when I tell you the meat was not in the length either.
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    Flyer: traveled a path under the arc est. a hunt in the area cont. to hunt area getting wider and wider but could never come up with the bird, gunners came out to help dog once dog got the bird he collapsed. The vet and stewards were rushed to the dog's aide in a matter of seconds then dog & vet were rushed to the on-site mobile vet unit here to provide the best and immediate care for our canine athletes in this National event. We will update you momentarily on Pedro's condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake_mhoona View Post
    judging from the callbacks most of the dogs cut had handles and this one didnt. the short retired in 3rd could have been better but is that as bad as a handle?

    1st & 2nd
    Flyer: traveled left of the bird then immediately turned to retrieve the bird.
    Mem: Drilled it!
    Blind: early whistle up front, with few whistles to complete the retrieve.

    3rd
    Flyer: Pinned it!
    SR: traveled a line wide and right of the holding blind, squared the pond exitng to the right of the gun station driving deep up the hill to turn and make a large loop to the correct side of the holding blind down to the area to complete the retrieve.
    LR: traveled a nice line under the arc of the mark cont. to drive up the hill and then hunted her way back to the bird.
    You can't infer much from reading the blog. Other than "Smacked/pinned/drilled/front-footed it" all the commentary is subject to a wide range of interpretation. (And maybe someone's 'front foot' isn't the same as yours or mine either for that matter....)

    The blogistas can't (or shouldn't) give opinionated commentary and what one person sees as a minor hunt can be another person's significant hunt. What's the definition of a "loop"? Is it a tight circle right around the area of fall or is it a romp around the surrounding countryside? (I'm being a little facetious but you get the idea.) It doesn't always take a handle to get dropped if the dog has had more than one big hunt. There are also dogs that have handled early (of the quick tidy variety) that have finished Nationals.

    It's also hard to interpret what "early whistle up front with few whistles to complete". A whistle isn't a whistle isn't a whistle. An "early whistle up front" could be the handler tightening the dog a bit to get a more advantageous angle to enter the water or go between goal posts. Or it could be a short stop because the dog, perhaps to avoid water, took a poor IL. Both scenarios are "early whistles' but again, demonstrate opposite issues with the first part of the blind: the first is strategic handling, the second is "uh oh".

    Several whistles could mean a handler is keeping the dog sharp and tight to the line.....or it could mean the dog is scallop-scallop-scalloping it's way through the blind. Or it could mean the dog is bouncing around at the end of the blind without coming up with the bird. Those scenarios all took several whistles but they are very different in terms of a well run blind.


    I don't know what dog you're referring to, and I'm not there in person to observe how the blogistas' posts compare to what I see in the field. So this is all hypothetical. Worth nil, just conjectural food-for-thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3blackdogs View Post
    You can't infer much from reading the blog. Other than "Smacked/pinned/drilled/front-footed it" all the commentary is subject to a wide range of interpretation. (And maybe someone's 'front foot' isn't the same as yours or mine either for that matter....)

    The blogistas can't (or shouldn't) give opinionated commentary and what one person sees as a minor hunt can be another person's significant hunt. What's the definition of a "loop"? Is it a tight circle right around the area of fall or is it a romp around the surrounding countryside? (I'm being a little facetious but you get the idea.) It doesn't always take a handle to get dropped if the dog has had more than one big hunt. There are also dogs that have handled early (of the quick tidy variety) that have finished Nationals.

    It's also hard to interpret what "early whistle up front with few whistles to complete". A whistle isn't a whistle isn't a whistle. An "early whistle up front" could be the handler tightening the dog a bit to get a more advantageous angle to enter the water or go between goal posts. Or it could be a short stop because the dog, perhaps to avoid water, took a poor IL. Both scenarios are "early whistles' but again, demonstrate opposite issues with the first part of the blind: the first is strategic handling, the second is "uh oh".

    Several whistles could mean a handler is keeping the dog sharp and tight to the line.....or it could mean the dog is scallop-scallop-scalloping it's way through the blind. Or it could mean the dog is bouncing around at the end of the blind without coming up with the bird. Those scenarios all took several whistles but they are very different in terms of a well run blind.


    I don't know what dog you're referring to, and I'm not there in person to observe how the blogistas' posts compare to what I see in the field. So this is all hypothetical. Worth nil, just conjectural food-for-thought.

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    I completely agree and could not have enunciated it better. The commentary is meant to be informative but not critical or judgmental.

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    From blog
    #54 Pedro is doing better. The vet is getting his core body temperature to come down nicely and they expect a full recovery. Pedro is a true competitor who was not coming home without the bird. We salute Pedro's heart for the game and Thank all that ran to his aide in his time of need. Thank you everyone for your kind words and thoughts of Pedro.
    Charlotte Kaiser: " The Problem Lies In The Talent."

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    since #62 16 dogs run, 11 handles

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    since #62 16 dogs run, 11 handles
    I noticed that, too. Do you think the lighting conditions are attributable?

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