Last edited by RookieTrainer; 11-24-2013 at 08:41 AM.
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No problem Steve. Stick with it! I made all the same mistakes & paid the same price. Experience is always the best teacher.
True Fire-breathers; (those which dance the line btw barely in control and un-trainable/washouted) are appreciated by the watchers way more than they are by the handler-trainer, I'd bet most would take a bit more control and a tad less drive; and the term "fire-breather" is more of a curse than praise.
Last edited by Hunt'EmUp; 11-25-2013 at 01:17 PM.
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Huntemup's got it right though much more fun to watch
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After reading all these posts, I am not sure what the term "drive" means. Does a dog that runs fast but has no clue where it is going have drive. Does a dog that runs fast but is undiciplined as to where it is supposed to go have "drive"? Does a dog that goes out at medium speed to the AOF and makes a gallant effort to dig out a bird in super hard cover, have "drive"?
I have an old girl lying at my feet who once ran out and snatched a duck out of the mouth of my friend's dog, leaving him standing there without a clue what happened. She was fast as lightening but did she have "drive"?
Not trying to start another pissing contest but I do think the term is hard to define.
I can see why your are having problems? That's because people see it in different ways. Some have different categories of drive, pray drive, defense drive, food drive, pack drive and so on.
I myself try to put in the most simplest term.(THE DESIRE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT) If Their drive overwhelms their working attitude ( willingness to please) I would say they where a fire breather. These dogs live in the moment and are a hand full to train to say the least.
Nothing to add, but I couldn't resist being the 100th post to this interesting thread.
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