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    Quote Originally Posted by jd6400 View Post
    And why is the dog giving him the middle finger? My guess his guts and heart is the size of an acorn.
    Ok,nother scenario,jr wants to play football but hates hitting do we force jr into it or do we find a kid that wants to hit? Jim
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    Somehow Paul I saw that coming from you..Haaaaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by sageandtun View Post
    I have a 15 month old lab that has been hunting all season and has been doing great. today we hunted a large, half frozen pond with ice around the edges and he just flat out would not retrieve the ducks. He really did not want to get in the water. This is not lack of drive or training so, with all due respect, those are not the answers that I am looking for. I played with a dead duck with him for a while when we where done hunting both on dry land and throwing it in the water. He was as thrilled as ever to pick it up off of the ground but wanted nothing to do with it in the water. I was able to force him to it in the water but he certainly did not want to go. Any suggestions on what we might try to get through this? I live in montana so over half of our season is very cold. Thank you for any help!
    I don't have any solutions but from the OP, it looks like there has been force in his program.
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    You mentioned that he is very thin and you can't get weight on him. Change food to a more caloric dense product - adding more quantity of a low cal product won't do anything to help, add satin balls or dyne. It seems that many field type Labs don't have any undercoat which they really need in harsh weather. No fat on him isn't good either. They need some to help keep the cold away. I know this isn't the only answer to your problem but it would be an easy place to start for this winter and work on the water issue in the summer. A vest wouldn't hurt either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd6400 View Post
    Been at this way over 40 yrs Bruce,all my dogs and clients dogs get FF but not to get in the liquid after a bird that has been shot.That has to come from the heart of said animal.And it`s sad to say a lot of heart has been lost in todays lab.Don`t get me wrong,there are still a ton of labs out there with a lot of heart.Just not the percentages there was 50 years ago.

    As far as personal dogs now....We have 6 chessies with more on the way!!!!!At least for now they havn`t gottn popular,and we all know what happens when a breed gets popular.Would you like a list? Jim
    I have seen labs refuse to get in the water. Chessies, boykins and poodles do the same things. When I see the big swim in the 4th series mostly it is labs that have the heart & guts to make that swim. I will force my dogs to water. That way the day they decide they don't want to swim I will have an option.

    Option b is to force fetch an otter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishduck View Post
    I have seen labs refuse to get in the water. Chessies, boykins and poodles do the same things. When I see the big swim in the 4th series mostly it is labs that have the heart & guts to make that swim. I will force my dogs to water. That way the day they decide they don't want to swim I will have an option.

    Option b is to force fetch an otter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd6400 View Post
    And why is the dog giving him the middle finger? My guess his guts and heart is the size of an acorn.
    Ok,nother scenario,jr wants to play football but hates hitting do we force jr into it or do we find a kid that wants to hit? Jim
    "screw you, I'm not getting in that water...IT'S COOOOLD!" = middle finger
    For many folks, finding another dog isn't in the cards
    I agree, drive is part of the problem(and I said that) but I also think that many dogs put through a proper force program will do the work just fine. I am not advocating a brutal force situation here, if the dog requires that to do the work it just not fair to the dog or the trainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SjSmith View Post
    I don't have any solutions but from the OP, it looks like there has been force in his program.
    maybe, maybe not. Could have just been pissed enough to throw the dog in.
    This is a big problem with trying to give advise to these kinds of posts. Way to little info. Has the dog been in water before? What was his reaction there? Was it the ice freaking him out or was it the cold? What training background does the dog have? Then we are told by the op that it isn't a drive or training problem when everyone reading it knows that is exactly what the issue is.
    "The thing I admire about the rat tail is that it takes commitment. It's not like one day you just decide you want one, you have to grow out that bad boy and you have to repeatedly convince the hairdresser to trust you because it's a great idea."

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    Quote Originally Posted by achiro View Post
    "screw you, I'm not getting in that water...IT'S COOOOLD!" = middle finger
    For many folks, finding another dog isn't in the cards
    I agree, drive is part of the problem(and I said that) but I also think that many dogs put through a proper force program will do the work just fine. I am not advocating a brutal force situation here, if the dog requires that to do the work it just not fair to the dog or the trainer.
    Agree.....let's also do a little homework on our next pup.Jim
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    Guys and gals....Our heart is there, but the imagination can run wild. The ball is back to the OP for more info maybe....Who knows....Hopefully he cares about his dog enough and will gives us more insight.

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