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    Another vote for Crate Training.. A close friend is a vet.. and you would not believe the near death surgeries she has had to perform on young dogs that injest something in a "puppy proofed" room. Crates are safety zones for the puppy and help them develop skills needed to be a good citizen the rest of their life. Do they like being locked into a crate the first few times... HECK NO.. and they can sound like caged monsters in there.. but before long, they willingly go into their little saftey zones. I cant imagine why a pup would need more room than a crate would provide, when most of the time they spend in the crate is sleeping... I have a 9week old right now.. after the first day.. she is quiet in her crate, and is either sleeping or chewing on a nylabone puppy chew ( a crate safe toy- nothing stuffed in there) and has only once peed in her crate. She comes out ready to play and run, but has no issue with the crate come bedtime.
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    HEIWU
    Crate train etc.
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    Gee, alot of help you guys are!!!!! OP said the choice did not include crate training. ?? Don ??

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    Whenever I hear people say they don't use crates, I think they've fallen for the PETA/HSUS misinformation that they are cruel. As other posters have pointed out, crating a dog is NOT cruel and dogs actually prefer having their own safe den if they have a choice. You can always transition a saintly puppy (does such a thing exist? LOL) to house freedom once it's reliably house broken, but as others pointed out, even when housebroken the crate keeps them as well as our possessions safe during the prolonged adolescence so common to retrievers.
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    Wow, amazing how any puppies survived before crates were around. I've also known of dogs that died in their crates of things like bloat or intestinal blockage that they might have survived if they were free to let the owner know they were in distress in the middle of the night. Everything is a trade-off. Retriever training is not exactly the safest thing you can do with a dog, either.

    The OP didn't seem that interested in a crate/no-crate argument. He/she wanted to know if pee pads would confuse the dog about going inside vs outside. My point was that my puppy, who used pee pads and was confined to my bedroom, has never confused inside and outside. She is 4 years old and has the run of the house (along with the other 3 dogs). She doesn't potty in the house. As puppies grow older, they normally develop an aversion to soiling the area they sleep and eat in. There are a couple of things you can do to help alleviate any confusion.

    Get up early enough to take the puppy for a walk and some play. Give it plenty of time to burn some energy and relieve itself before you leave the house.

    Put a soiled pad or a piece of a pad in the corner of the yard where you'd like the dog to eventually go. Put a rock on it to keep it from blowing away. The odor will help encourage the puppy to go there.

    Periodically thoroughly clean the area where you're confining the puppy, especially after it starts making it through the day, so there is no lingering odor of piddle.


    Enjoy your puppy! Golden puppies are so cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalouseDogs View Post
    The OP didn't seem that interested in a crate/no-crate argument.
    Here's what I read.

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    I'm with Ken. Get a crate!!! Stop screwing around. 1 electrical cord chewed, 1 chewed bed sheet or curtain around the pups neck or 1 time into the cleaning chemicals and you wish you had a crate. Your pup is relying on you to keep him/her safe thru adult hood. Don't blow it......
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    There are times in a dog's life that it may need to be crated. If God forbid your dog needs to be operated on crate confinement will be needed. Dogs who have been put in crates as puppies seem to have an easier time with spending time in a crate. As your puppy gets older the likelihood of surgery increases. Another thing introduce your puppy to a ramp. A couple of weeks ago I was at the Vet and a gentleman was trying to get his BIG dog into his car. I do not know what happened to the dog, but there were a lot of stitches in several places on the dog. His dog would not walk up his ramp because it was a smooth surface. I pulled my ramp with slates on it over to his car and the dog felt more at ease to climb on it. At that point he was wishing he had introduced his dog to a ramp long before that day. I wish he would have had a crate in his car, but he did not.

    I could give you many examples for the benefits of crate training, but this one has not been shared by others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalouseDogs View Post
    I don't crate my dogs in the house, and I did potty train my golden with pee pads. I left her in the bedroom during the day with pee pads on the floor and under the throw rugs. Between 8 weeks and about 3 months, I came home at lunch and let her out into the yard. By 3 months, she could make it 9 hours without pooping (but not peeing), so I quit coming home for lunch (couldn't afford to keep using an hour of annual leave a day.) So, she would usually leave a piddle puddle, because you can't expect a puppy to go that long without peeing. I'd toss any wet throw rugs into the laundry in the evening and change the used pee pads. At about 4 months, maybe 4.5, I forget, there was no piddle on the floor one day when I got home. Nor the next day, or the next. After a week of no piddling in the house, I picked up all the pee pads, and that was the end of that.

    Obviously, I'm in the minority these days. But, I think there are potential huge problems with crate training. If you have to be gone for many more hours than a puppy can go without "going", then they HAVE to go in their crate. Do it often enough and the pup learns to tolerate sitting in its own urine or excrement. Also, if the puppy has a bout of diarrhea (not uncommon in puppies), they're stuck in a crate messing all over themselves. I'd rather come home and launder a rug than come home to a miserable puppy coming in feces.

    YMMV
    A couple of things. First, if you want a house dog and you have no way to air a pupoy about every 4 hours a day -- I would not recommend a puppy.

    Second, in my world there are 3 habits I do not want my dogs to develop: using "people space" as a toilet, chewing on "people things", and barking in the house. Habits are learned thru repetition. Every time they make a mistake moves the needle back. We try hard to set our dogs up for success by using crates, etc. They earn freedom in the house as they demonstrate they do not do these things. The easiest habit to teach is the toilet one.
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    I just went through house breaking my ylm pup. started him in a crate and it only took a couple of weeks for him to stop going in the house. Only pooped once in the house and that was all. I was very surprised by how easy it was to train him using the crate. It had been years since I had trained a pup. Only problem I had was that I was laid up for six weeks from a surgery at the same time he came home and my wife did most all of the training. she let him go just off of our front porch to do his business. This sets up for a mess in the front yard and should have taken him out to the edge of the woods. Last lab I had I had done this and she would not go in her kennel, unless she was there a very very long time, or the yard, always in the woods.

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