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    [QUOTEDid the dog start ff on day 1 at the trainers?][/QUOTE]

    Trainers who do this skip the "trust" factor and go straight into the respect factor. This can cause all kinds of problems.

    If your going to "properly train a dog humanely trust should be established first and the dog needs to get used to his new surroundings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphsuit View Post
    I totally agree with you but I'm confused. I'm getting multiple opinions. I talked to another pro, she said to try the ear pinch and collar at the same time and if that doesn't work go to ear pinch. I'm getting people saying start over and people saying try this and that. So, I'm not sure at all. I've never thought of that I will definitely try that!
    In dog training there is no 'right' answer. All dogs are different and what works for one dog might not work for another.

    When in doubt, remove the 'E' factor (Electricity), and then backup to proof what the dog has learned. The Ecollar is only for enforcing what has already been taught. The timing with the Ecollar is critical, and many beginners can create more problems than answers with the collar.

    I can empathize with your loss of your job. You don't have to spend money to get your dog 'forced fetched'. Just because someone charges money and calls themself a 'pro' doesn't mean they have all of the answers for your dog. You can learn along with your dog the 'trained retrieve'. Get the word 'force' out of your mind.

    Where are you located? Are there any experienced hunt test or field trial people near you? Give them a phone call.

    If not, take the process one step at a time. Teach 'hold' first. Then begin using a little ear pinch to get them to grab for the bumper or whatever you are using with 'hold'. There are several videos on Youtube that show people doing just that.

    If you get achance, post your video but it sounds like you may already be on the right track! Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    On second thought, I might ask for some money back and find a different trainer.
    That was my first thought but it came in the form of "what idiot gave the guy his dog back at this stage of training?"

    I get it now that I read the OP comment about job loss...

    That sucks

    So a recommendation would be to go back to the very beginning. Brush up some obedience as he settles back in to the home situation then start with teaching hold and do the whole process yourself from start to finish. No race to get things done but rather a really good reason to take your time and make sure everything is done correctly.

    This seems like a really BAD time to attempt a transition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphsuit View Post
    I totally agree with you but I'm confused. I'm getting multiple opinions. I talked to another pro, she said to try the ear pinch and collar at the same time and if that doesn't work go to ear pinch. I'm getting people saying start over and people saying try this and that. So, I'm not sure at all.
    Well there's one thing that you should be sure about Morph', and that is- that your dog doesn't completely understand pressure from an ear pinch- at least from you it doesn't.
    And that should narrow it down.

    Whether or not it's technique from you that's causing some confusion or not, and regardless of where your trainer arrived with your dog with Collar FETCH, there should be a FULL understanding of pressure - from YOU, with an ear pinch prior to YOU attempting Collar FETCH before it does.

    Am in the "put the collar away" , and the "don't throw the pro under the bus", (yet) camps.

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    I normally don't like to advise on ff any more to many pit falls,but I am for some reason I do not know.

    The mistake was that the trainer, took the dog in the first place. If some one ask me to ff in on month, I would have said go see some one else. The dog first must be condition the the collar and that takes minimum of 4 weeks. I can ff in one month if everything goes perfect, but dose not include field work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    I completely agree and it's possible scenario he pulled the dog in the middle. However, based upon his description, his dog isn't even reaching for the fetch. In your hundreds of dogs, after a month how often in you program is the dog not reaching and clamping up with the application of pressure after 30 days?
    Totally depends on the dog and where it was at when I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphsuit View Post
    I totally agree with you but I'm confused. I'm getting multiple opinions. I talked to another pro, she said to try the ear pinch and collar at the same time and if that doesn't work go to ear pinch. I'm getting people saying start over and people saying try this and that. So, I'm not sure at all. I've never thought of that I will definitely try that!
    LOL. This is everyone's experience, no matter what the dog game is...

    The only thing two trainers can agree on is that the third one is doing it wrong.

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    Kieth, the plan was to leave the dog longer but the op lost his job. So he picked him up after only one month.
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    OK;
    Then my advise would be, go spend a little money and get a program.Then start from the beginning.

    Keith

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    Call Evan, he will help ya over the phone....

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