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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Again the Tea Party was formed after Bush was done serving his last term! The Tea Party is comprised of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and Libertarians who are fed up with the poor job the Republican Party has been doing. It is not a Party, it is a movement with 55 members currently serving terms in Congress...not bad with only two elections under our belt....Bush, did a number of things that qualify him as a RINO, but her also provided inspired leadership at a time when your country needed it most, thank God the Dem's were not in charge during 9/11 and the years following....that would have been a real OMG moment!
    Lying to the public and bankrupting the Country is "inspired leadership"? That's funny stuff right there. Bush is treated as a leper by the Republican Party because of his lack of leadership, leadership goes beyond standing on a mound and throwing a baseball or holding a chainsaw for a photo op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    Lying to the public and bankrupting the Country is "inspired leadership"? That's funny stuff right there. Bush is treated as a leper by the Republican Party because of his lack of leadership, leadership goes beyond standing on a mound and throwing a baseball or holding a chainsaw for a photo op.
    Or sending selfies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    All the Teas are doing is fracturing the current GOP and handing over Federal elections to the Dems. The Libertarians offer the future!
    He appears to hold a similiar view Franco:

    Boehner tears into tea party as House OKs budget deal

    Speaker accuses conservative critics of undermining GOP



    By Paul Kane and Ed O’Keefe


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    WASHINGTON — After years of placating conservative groups that repeatedly undermined his agenda, House Speaker John Boehner took direct aim at tea party critics Thursday, accusing them of working against the interests of the Republican Party.

    Calling the groups “misleading” and without “credibility,” the Ohio Republican pointed to the string of bipartisan deals that passed the House on its last legislative day of 2013 as the sort of “common ground” that should provide a new path for congressional work.

    The House voted 332-94 on Thursday night to approve a two-year budget outline that would reduce the chance of another government shutdown and end the cycle of crisis budgeting that has been the scourge of Washington for much of the past three years.

    The budget approval was the most prominent accomplishment of a day

    on which the usually moribund House also passed legislation that would extend the farm bill through January and approved the annual policy bill for the Pentagon.

    That collection of legislation will head next week to the Senate, where the budget pact will have to steer a narrow path to victory through concern from GOP defense hawks who oppose a provision in the bill that would reduce military pension benefits.

    With his assault on outside groups that have opposed him over the past three years, Boehner gave voice to a growing feeling among congressional Republicans that their nominal allies at advocacy groups and think tanks have turned into puritanical partisans whose posture on many issues has undermined the GOP’s standing on Capitol Hill.

    Boehner’s remarks came amid increasingly strident clashes between establishment Republicans and Washington- based groups that claim the tea party banner, most prominently Heritage Action for America, the Club for Growth and Freedom-Works.

    The turning point for Boehner, who acknowledged feeling this way for several years, was an effort to sabotage the bipartisan budget deal crafted by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Budget Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray, D-Wash.

    Ryan, the Republican Party’s 2012 vice presidential nominee, still engenders much respect in all ideological corners of the GOP caucus, and his plan won plaudits from senior Republicans for establishing a two-year framework that many hope will provide evidence that the House GOP is able and willing to govern.

    But those outside groups attacked Ryan for allowing an additional $63 billion in agency spending over the next two years in exchange for savings that come over the next decade.

    “Frankly, I think they’re misleading their followers,” Boehner told reporters at his weekly news briefing. “I think they’re pushing our members in places where they don’t want to be. And frankly, I just think that they’ve lost all credibility.”

    Hours later, Ryan’s deal won a majority of House GOP votes — 169 for it, 62 against it — unlike every other bipartisan fiscal pact in 2013, most of which barely attracted a third of the Republican caucus.

    “The more information that gets out about this deal, the harder it is for members to vote yes and go back home and explain that vote,” said Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action.

    Holler warned that Boehner will risk the Republican majority if conservative voters “are not going to motivate to turn out in November 2014.”

    He described Boehner’s message to conservative voters as, “We use you guys to get elected.”

    One of Heritage’s staunchest allies, Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., said he thinks Boehner’s moment of candor was prompted by the belief among some Republicans that he will not run for speaker next term. Boehner has said he intends to remain speaker and Monday filed to run for re-election next year in his southwest Ohio district.

    The more prominent view among House Republicans was that Ryan’s deal with Murray, while disappointing with just $23 billion in deficit reduction, would make another government shutdown highly unlikely and signals that House Republicans are trying to move beyond the past three years of fiscal brinkmanship they have engaged in with the Obama White House.

    The outside groups opposing Ryan, including Heritage Action, the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and the Senate Conservatives Fund, would instead steer House Republicans onto a familiar path, lurching from crisis to crisis, many House Republicans said. “It’s not helpful for them to say that that’s completely unacceptable. What would they like? Another government shutdown? If that’s what they want, they should run for Congress,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Issa called his view “absolutely a majority of the majority.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    He appears to hold a similiar view Franco:

    Boehner tears into tea party as House OKs budget deal

    Speaker accuses conservative critics of undermining GOP



    By Paul Kane and Ed O’Keefe


    Washington Post

    Yup, the Repub Party is what it is and it won't change. The Teas in the party would rather run a loser in the General Election than someone that could actually beat Hillary. The Teas and others on the far right refuse to let the GOP enter into the 21st Century on social, economic issues and Foreign Policy. Its a shame because they really do have a slightly better plan economically and financially. The GOP since the Reagan years have been big spenders and all about big government and I just don't think it can be reformed. Many, including myself think the Repubs Party is a brand that is broken beyond repair. Even the label Conservative has been transformed into a negative. That means a new party will emerge, one more in touch with today's voters that will win the day. It may take a while but, its coming! That's because the Repub Party today is an exclusionary party dominated by white folks over 60 and there is a political party that promotes Fiscal conservatism and Social tolerance that appeals to the younger generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Yup, the Repub Party is what it is and it won't change. The Teas in the party would rather run a loser in the General Election than someone that could actually beat Hillary. The Teas and others on the far right refuse to let the GOP enter into the 21st Century on social, economic issues and Foreign Policy. Its a shame because they really do have a slightly better plan economically and financially. The GOP since the Reagan years have been big spenders and all about big government and I just don't think it can be reformed. Many, including myself think the Repubs Party is a brand that is broken beyond repair. Even the label Conservative has been transformed into a negative. That means a new party will emerge, one more in touch with today's voters that will win the day. It may take a while but, its coming! That's because the Repub Party today is an exclusionary party dominated by white folks over 60 and there is a political party that promotes Fiscal conservatism and Social tolerance that appeals to the younger generation.
    Franco,
    "America doesn't need a 3rd party, it needs a 2nd party!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Franco,
    "America doesn't need a 3rd party, it needs a 2nd party!!"
    The 3rd party will be the 1st party in the not too distant future! Remember, political revolutions do not happen in one or two election cycles. It takes a little time for ideas to emerge and for the misconceptions created by politicians and the media to disappear.
    Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge



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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Franco,
    "America doesn't need a 3rd party, it needs a 2nd party!!"
    Priceless, frigging priceless
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    Lying to the public and bankrupting the Country is "inspired leadership"? That's funny stuff right there. Bush is treated as a leper by the Republican Party because of his lack of leadership, leadership goes beyond standing on a mound and throwing a baseball or holding a chainsaw for a photo op.
    mn...I can tell by your comments that you would not recognize leadership if it came up behind you and kicked you in the rear end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Swamp,

    You may not be aware of the fact that Social Security is our nation's largest Debt Holder thanks to Newt and Clinton. You may be OK with that but, as far as I am concerned, he stole the people's money and all politicians that approved the raid of SS to balance the budget should be serving hard time in jail! The Teas may think Newt an angel, I think he is a criminal! Perhaps you forgot that President Johnson was the guy who moved SSI to the General Funds....Opening it up to all politicians, if you are going to go after someone....let it be the guy that started that mess...

    I don't need any Historians to tell me what Jefferson believed. I have read Jefferson's Bible. He refers to Jesus as the Rabbi and he doesn't refer to any god is his Bible nor did Jefferson think Jesus was a son of any god. It is always a question of credibility and interpretation....I stand on the facts and sources I presented! Jefferson made it clear many times in his writing that he believed that religion was private between man and his God. He did a wonderful job of following this throughout his life. He wrote many things about what he thought, but he never really wrote anything about what he really believed, as it was private between him and his God.

    Ron Paul realized the Repub Party is done, fini. He has started a political movement that has capture the imagination of millions. People disenfranchised by both parties that would never identify with the Repubs or Dems. Libertarians appeal is with the college students of all colors and the 30 something year olds of all colors who are Fiscally Conservative and Socially tolerant. Beliefs the Teas do not offer nor the Dems or Repubs. All the Teas are doing is fracturing the current GOP and handing over Federal elections to the Dems. The Libertarians offer the future!
    So he realized this 20+ years ago? I am not sure he will live to see anything come of his movement, other than acting as a distraction and unintended ally to the Democratic Party.

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    Goldog...you post an article from the number on Liberal rag in the country.....it is just political babble....doesn't warrant a comment! You need to broaden you reading, like the Washington Times....

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