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    I believe that Maggie and Lexie will share the Charlie Morgan trophy but that Maggie will win the Purina Trophy because Lexie got his last win after the National which is when the
    Purina award is based. Lexie will start the new Purina year with 77 points. Please let me know if I am incorrect.

    Steve O'Connell

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    What is the difference in the two ? Is that the one where one award is a calendar year, and the other is from the National to the National ?
    Derby—Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy

    On Sunday, March 10, 1968, while running a dog at a trial at Eagle, Wisconsin, Charles
    Morgan died. A fund for a memorial trophy was set up with Vern Weber, Secretary of
    the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club, accepting the donations. The Directors of
    Retriever Field Trial News felt it was appropriate to retire the commercially donated
    Country Life Trophy, as the National Retriever Club did with the Field and Stream
    Trophy, and to perpetuate his memory with the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy made
    possible by the donations of his many friends. This was fitting because Charles Morgan
    had significant national impact on the training and handling of both derby and open dogs.
    He won the Country Life Trophy six times and the Field and Stream Trophy three times.
    Two consecutive years (1944-45) he won both trophies. In 1942 he won the Country
    Life Trophy with a Golden Retriever, Shelter Cove Beauty, owned by Dr. L. M. Evans.
    He then qualified her for the National Open and ran her in it when she was still a derby
    dog. Several times he took all four places in the derby. Charles Morgan devoted his life to retrievers, and this devotion made him the great trainer that he was. The Board of Directors of Retriever Field Trial News considered the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy a continuation of the Country Life Trophy. The first recipient in 1968 of the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was Hill’s Tip Top Tye, owned by Charles L. Hill.

    Each winner of the Country Life Trophy and the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was announced as the “National Derby Champion” through 1980. In 1981 and thereafter, the more appropriate term “High Point Derby Dog” has been used. The current Retriever News continues to award the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy to the High Point Derby Dog.
    Charles Morgan donated a derby trophy to be administered by the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club called the Charles Morgan Challenge Cup. This trophy was given for points awarded in both licensed/member and sanctioned field trials in the Wisconsin-Northern Illinois field trial circuit. Charles Morgan stipulated that any derby that included a triple was ineligible for points for this trophy. This did cause some confusion because the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was conducted under a different set of rules.

    Purina Award--Derby

    In 2003 Nestle’ Purina announced an additional award for the high point derby dog called the Purina High Point Derby Award. Beginning in 2003, it is awarded yearly on
    the same basis as the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy, but with the addition of a tie breaker.
    It was impossible, so it took a little longer to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junbe View Post
    Derby—Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy


    On Sunday, March 10, 1968, while running a dog at a trial at Eagle, Wisconsin, Charles
    Morgan died. A fund for a memorial trophy was set up with Vern Weber, Secretary of
    the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club, accepting the donations. The Directors of
    Retriever Field Trial News felt it was appropriate to retire the commercially donated
    Country Life Trophy, as the National Retriever Club did with the Field and Stream
    Trophy, and to perpetuate his memory with the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy made
    possible by the donations of his many friends. This was fitting because Charles Morgan
    had significant national impact on the training and handling of both derby and open dogs.
    He won the Country Life Trophy six times and the Field and Stream Trophy three times.
    Two consecutive years (1944-45) he won both trophies. In 1942 he won the Country
    Life Trophy with a Golden Retriever, Shelter Cove Beauty, owned by Dr. L. M. Evans.
    He then qualified her for the National Open and ran her in it when she was still a derby
    dog. Several times he took all four places in the derby. Charles Morgan devoted his life to retrievers, and this devotion made him the great trainer that he was. The Board of Directors of Retriever Field Trial News considered the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy a continuation of the Country Life Trophy. The first recipient in 1968 of the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was Hill’s Tip Top Tye, owned by Charles L. Hill.

    Each winner of the Country Life Trophy and the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was announced as the “National Derby Champion” through 1980. In 1981 and thereafter, the more appropriate term “High Point Derby Dog” has been used. The current Retriever News continues to award the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy to the High Point Derby Dog.
    Charles Morgan donated a derby trophy to be administered by the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club called the Charles Morgan Challenge Cup. This trophy was given for points awarded in both licensed/member and sanctioned field trials in the Wisconsin-Northern Illinois field trial circuit. Charles Morgan stipulated that any derby that included a triple was ineligible for points for this trophy. This did cause some confusion because the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was conducted under a different set of rules.

    Purina Award--Derby


    In 2003 Nestle’ Purina announced an additional award for the high point derby dog called the Purina High Point Derby Award. Beginning in 2003, it is awarded yearly on
    the same basis as the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy, but with the addition of a tie breaker.
    Thanks for posting this. I've been reading Charlie's book on retriever training and there are a lot of references to the Country Life Trophy in it, but I could never find out what it was awarded for. Now I know. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by junbe View Post
    Derby—Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy

    On Sunday, March 10, 1968, while running a dog at a trial at Eagle, Wisconsin, Charles
    Morgan died. A fund for a memorial trophy was set up with Vern Weber, Secretary of
    the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club, accepting the donations. The Directors of
    Retriever Field Trial News felt it was appropriate to retire the commercially donated
    Country Life Trophy, as the National Retriever Club did with the Field and Stream
    Trophy, and to perpetuate his memory with the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy made
    possible by the donations of his many friends. This was fitting because Charles Morgan
    had significant national impact on the training and handling of both derby and open dogs.
    He won the Country Life Trophy six times and the Field and Stream Trophy three times.
    Two consecutive years (1944-45) he won both trophies. In 1942 he won the Country
    Life Trophy with a Golden Retriever, Shelter Cove Beauty, owned by Dr. L. M. Evans.
    He then qualified her for the National Open and ran her in it when she was still a derby
    dog. Several times he took all four places in the derby. Charles Morgan devoted his life to retrievers, and this devotion made him the great trainer that he was. The Board of Directors of Retriever Field Trial News considered the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy a continuation of the Country Life Trophy. The first recipient in 1968 of the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was Hill’s Tip Top Tye, owned by Charles L. Hill.

    Each winner of the Country Life Trophy and the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was announced as the “National Derby Champion” through 1980. In 1981 and thereafter, the more appropriate term “High Point Derby Dog” has been used. The current Retriever News continues to award the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy to the High Point Derby Dog.
    Charles Morgan donated a derby trophy to be administered by the Wisconsin Amateur Field Trial Club called the Charles Morgan Challenge Cup. This trophy was given for points awarded in both licensed/member and sanctioned field trials in the Wisconsin-Northern Illinois field trial circuit. Charles Morgan stipulated that any derby that included a triple was ineligible for points for this trophy. This did cause some confusion because the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy was conducted under a different set of rules.

    Purina Award--Derby

    In 2003 Nestle’ Purina announced an additional award for the high point derby dog called the Purina High Point Derby Award. Beginning in 2003, it is awarded yearly on
    the same basis as the Charles Morgan Memorial Trophy, but with the addition of a tie breaker.
    The Historian comes through AGAIN!..Some trivia I was running the Sanction trial where he died I think Dr Kesky was trying to revive him. The Retriever Community renamed the Hill where he died overlooking the Ottawa Trial Grounds just North of Eagle "Morgan Hill" . Have trained there many, many times since his death. Cream City Coed I believe was the last dog listed on the Trophy prior to Mr. Morgan's death, appropriately owned, trained and handled by Mr. Morgan. The old , now tailess, large rather large trophy has been at my house on more then a few occasions, the curator as Jack said the WAFTC, a small trophy is awarded for the the yearly winner and the Challenge Trophy is kept as a traveling trophy kept for one year, then returned to the Club for the next Derby point winner. It did cause some confusion as Jack indicated lots of some very famous dogs and handlers on that old tailess trophy, I am proud to be part of it even though it became a club trophy.
    Earl Dillow

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    Jack and Earl -

    I sent you both a PM. Looks like that's screwed up again.
    Good for both of you as to the accurate background/history of Charlie and the High Point Derby Trophies!!

    Bill Connor
    Last edited by canuckkiller; 12-17-2013 at 01:59 PM.

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    Congrats Casey! It seems like yesterday we were training dogs at Overton. Enjoy the successful ride my friend.
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