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    Keith, you are being very brave asking for help on here. You are already a very experienced trainer and many of your posts show that you have excellent dog sense. It is easy for beginning trainers to ask for advice, they need knowledge and are grateful for any help they get. It takes real courage to ask for advice when you face a problem that your years of experience tell you you should have solved. Sometimes even the best of us lose sight of where we are with a problem because we are so deep in it...this is why brilliant writers need their editors, or great recording artists need a producer to bring out the best in their new song. A second pair of eyes often gives a perspective that unlocks a problem or spots an error that the first person misses.

    It feels to me like you might be digging a hole for yourself with some of your reactions, perhaps you feel a loss of pride because you are getting advice that you didn't come upon yourself, that is not an uncommon response....but isn't that why you took the risk of asking for suggestions? You are getting the benefit of a second set of eyes on your problem with this dog, this isn't criticism of you as a trainer, it's the help you asked for. Thank you for bringing this problem to the forum, you and everyone viewing are getting a great opportunity to learn.
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    This reminds me of a thread where a guy asks if his dog is ready to run a particular stake. He admits the dog isn't ready then runs the dog and after, asks why the dog failed.

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    Now you all know why I posted what I posted

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    Merry Christmas:

    Take your time, Read and know the dog that you are training and never move faster than the dog will allow you to go.

    You are not a teacher you are a trainer.

    I am done to.

    Keith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthseeker View Post
    Merry Christmas:

    Take your time, Read and know the dog that you are training and never move faster than the dog will allow you to go.

    You are not a teacher you are a trainer.

    I am done to.

    Keith.
    Merry Christmas Keith
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    Keith, you are being very brave asking for help on here. You are already a very experienced trainer and many of your posts show that you have excellent dog sense. It is easy for beginning trainers to ask for advice, they need knowledge and are grateful for any help they get. It takes real courage to ask for advice when you face a problem that your years of experience tell you you should have solved. Sometimes even the best of us lose sight of where we are with a problem because we are so deep in it...this is why brilliant writers need their editors, or great recording artists need a producer to bring out the best in their new song. A second pair of eyes often gives a perspective that unlocks a problem or spots an error that the first person misses.

    It feels to me like you might be digging a hole for yourself with some of your reactions, perhaps you feel a loss of pride because you are getting advice that you didn't come upon yourself, that is not an uncommon response....but isn't that why you took the risk of asking for suggestions? You are getting the benefit of a second set of eyes on your problem with this dog, this isn't criticism of you as a trainer, it's the help you asked for. Thank you for bringing this problem to the forum, you and everyone viewing are getting a great opportunity to learn.
    Pride has no place in dog training.

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    Sorry to say but as a bystander this thread pretty much lost any constructive learning value after page 2
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