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    Curious outta say 25 labs without strong pedigree just being trained for hunting that u guys get if any? What are signs u look for is it lack of desire, trainability?

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    I don't think there is any way to answer that question. In about nine years of training gun dogs I had less than 10 that I told the owners not to put any more money into their dog. And a few of those went on to make decent gun dogs.
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    You did give me answer and I thank you. Ok going on 3yrs I've finally gotten dog without much drive just not sure I can build her up. If u try give each dog 3 months still doesn't workout how do u explain that to an owner.

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    The first month is a non issue the goal of Obedience and getting the collar on were met as always. I'm being totally honest with my owner as I would always be the owner is looking for more definite answer after 2 more months will my dog hunt. Protecting his money which I understand, I never want to quit on a dog to early ad I've had dogs struggle go on to surprise everyone. As more experienced trainer any advice I'd appreciate Mr.Wayne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL82 View Post
    The first month is a non issue the goal of Obedience and getting the collar on were met as always. I'm being totally honest with my owner as I would always be the owner is looking for more definite answer after 2 more months will my dog hunt. Protecting his money which I understand, I never want to quit on a dog to early ad I've had dogs struggle go on to surprise everyone. As more experienced trainer any advice I'd appreciate Mr.Wayne.
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    I think that dog evaluations are so subjective and have so many variables to make any answers to this question irrelevant. It's like asking who has the prettiest wife/girlfriend...........we all see something different or we'd all want to marry the same woman. It's the same with dogs.....what excites me doesn't necessarily excite anyone else!! It boils down to expectations.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL82 View Post
    You did give me answer and I thank you. Ok going on 3yrs I've finally gotten dog without much drive just not sure I can build her up. If u try give each dog 3 months still doesn't workout how do u explain that to an owner.
    You just tell them, "your dog ain't gonna make it" period. You can put more time, money into the dog if you want but you pay me to train and evaluate your dog and I did, sorry. Anyone with an ounce of brains would appreciate the advise and move on. If they are not wise enough to evaluate the dog themselves, as most hunters should know something about dogs, drive, trainability to understand. If they don't, what good is training any dog for them because they will go back to an owner who knows nothing.

    Again as I stated before, the price of a very well bred dog is small compared to ownership. I don't care how good you are at training, you can't make a pig fly! I don't see why being totally honest is so wrong these days.

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    Black water u make great point being honest is what I would always do

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    Just out of curiousity, how old is the dog? I know of more than one dog that showed little or no desire at 6 months, that became real fireballs later. Some dogs need a little more time to mature, and/or lots of marking with less obedience early on to bring out their drive.

    If the dog is young, and you read him as immature, you might advise the owner to take the dog home to mature a bit, and try again in a few months.
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    As a pro I only had one washout. Not well bred, and wanted FF to be a war. Nothing doing.

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