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    As always, it depends on the individual dogs and their pedigrees.
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    Somehow I boo boo'd here. I meant to reply with Matt's quote about the individual dog and pedigree.


    A few years back I considered buying a pup out of an FC/AFC x JH breeding. The breeding was amazing on paper. I went and had a look at the JH female work. She was a crazy nice bitch that was quite capable of completing both HRCH and MH titles. Having trained and handled several HRCH/MHs myself, I can say that this bitch was actually as nice as any MH or HRC dog I'd ever seen. Now, from what I saw sold me on a pup from the breeding. The fact that the bitch was only JH initially turned me off until I saw her work. My point is, MH or HRCH are both indicators that the bitch has not only marking/memory skills, but also willing to be trained and handled as a team player.
    Irony to my story: I didn't buy the pup due to the fact that a friend gave me a pup out of an FC/AFC/CAFC-Copper x JH breeding. The pup had a nice pedigree as well. She is now my personal gun dog and quickly earned her SH before I bowed out of the hunt test game. She is a fantastic player and I'm very fortunate to stand by her side. I hope to get back to running hunt tests and run some HRC events because I think that they are tons of fun!!! Same reasons some folks only title their dogs with UKC titles. On the other hand, my last 4 dogs have only AKC titles due to availability of tests.
    I do agree with the posts that mention that they believe the MH/AKC titles may carry more clout in the puppy market though.
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    Are you buying titles or are you buying a dog? If you like the parents and the pedigree and the pups can be registered in both AKC and UKC, what difference does it make how their owners choose to spend their weekends?
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    thank you Sharon... words of wisdom. Want to say more but I'm not going to give anyone an excuse to make popcorn. I think the whole retriever community needs to get past the title snobs and start paying more attention to the dogs themselves. Oh nuts....
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    Cough ... I choked on my popcorn, where is my beer!

    When is this going to get good. Danger is wondering, which is better AKC or UKC.

    Did Gooser fall off a log ... hmmm

    /Paul you tried!
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    Tried what? If your investing in a Dog, your best bet outside of health is performance. AKC is designed to test a dogs skills at a higher degree than HRC. Not a knock on the hrc game, just a simple fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharon Potter View Post
    Are you buying titles or are you buying a dog?
    i would like to buy a title! how much do they cost?
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    Titles can help, but they don't always tell the whole story. And the whole idea of which game is better has no bearing on the talent of a pup. Far too many variables to base a judgement on venue. Just because a dog has only titled in one venue doesn't mean it lacks the talent to title in another. As a breeder, I place far more value on the individual dog than I do in just titles. I've seen dogs with an MH behind their name that I wouldn't own, and I've seen dogs with an HRCH in front that I wouldn't own, and I've seen dogs with no titles at all that I'd love to own...and visa versa. Look at the dogs, not the venue. As for titles in one venue adding more value to pups than another: the only titles that would make me pay a higher price for a pup are FC or AFC, and either one of those with an N in front would be especially nice.
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    It's not about which game is better Sharon, it's about what game better demonstrates a dogs abilities. If you don't see them work you can't evaluate them. Whenever looking for a new pup, best to up your odds based on what the parents have done. Fact is there is no way of knowing how the pups will turn out, all you can do is better the chances

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    If you take a dog from the pound and title it ,does that make the breeding any better?
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