A breeder story about Mary and her expertise. I was judging a DU field event with Mike Lardy doing the Open event and I was doing the Amateur both with co-judges. My bitch came in season at the same time and it was about the 10th day. I took her to Vern Weber's place to leave her to be bred with FC/AFC Abe. Vern said he couldn't get a tie. I asked Mike if they could take her at his place to try to get the tie with Abe. Dave Smith was working for Mike at the time, they tried and tried well past the twelve day. I thought after the 12th day it was difficult to get a breeding. Of course they made contact with the Guru Mary and she agreed to assist. It was the 17th day and they got the tie. I learned something then and Mary told me it was not uncommon to get ties that late. There were six pups in the litter, two became field Champions, one became a pointed AA dog made the Derby List and went on to title for his Master Hunter and his UKC HRCH. I got an award from AKC as the owner breeder of one of the FC/AFC's . Mary used her glitter dust, her expertise . Thank you Mary I don't even know if she is aware of that tiny assistance she did with her vast breeding background. I learned that day!