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There's a little more to that AKC story. The spin put on it is rather interesting, but that's what spin does. AKC did send a rep to a certain kennel, and the rep said the dogs looked like Labs, and that they kinda looked like very light brown, so they should be registered chocolate. AKC went with that and registered the dogs, and that rep ended up losing his job over it.
The bottom line is that gray/silver is a disqualifying color and will never be an acceptable color to the parent club. Unfortunately, that information isn't ever included with all the spin.
However, there is more than just breeding for color that folks take issue with. The breed is defined, and part of that definition is color. There is no allowance for silver or charcoal or grey or blue or green labs. There's also no allowance for a long haired curly version. When folks start intentionally trying to add in their little designed elements, and when dogs displaying or carrying those characteristics then get registered as AKC labs, then you end up with those characteristics in the gene pool, or more commonly in the gene pool. If the breed standard specifically states that the color is disqualifying, then folks shouldn't be trying to breed for it. If that's what someone wants to do, they should create their own breed instead of misleading people and damaging the existing breed. It's just not good practice to specifically target and breed FOR disqualifying traits. The breed can't be everything for everyone.
Bottom line, if it can be proven that there is Weimeraner blood in there on those labs, then they're not purebred labs at all. But that's secondary to the main point that it's still a disqualifying trait, and if you want to breed and register labs as pure bred labs, that's not something that should be your goal.
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I like all dogs. I don't care what color/breed/religion they are...I enjoy them all.
What I don't like are scam artists, which from my experience 99.99% (NOTE: I didn't say ALL) of the silver breeders are, whether they intend to be or not. If they would do their homework and then just be honest about what they're doing, I'd be fine with it, but they don't and aren't. And I also think many of them have just "drank the Kool-Aid" provided by the folks who started all this awhile back, and either are so caught up in the cash end that they don't want to become more educated, thereby keeping their heads in the sand, or they're simply gullible enough to believe what they've been told and don't look further.
The issue isn't about the dogs, it's about the people.
if anyone knows of a silver FC x FC breeding please let me know. I need one to train for the Grand.
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I want to know how everyone KNOWS that dd has NEVER been part of Labrador genetics.
And what about Amy Dahl's post on her research into the topic...with a man that was part of the canine genome project, who believes it's a very old mutation that has been in the breed?
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