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    Also, for anyone who wonders why so many good breeders sell on Limited registration unless they know the buyer....this is one good reason.

    When I was still breeding Labs, I started doing all limited (unless it was someone I knew) after one of my pups ended up in a silver breeder's hands (of course, they made sure to not mention that when they bought her). Fortunately, they never got a silver pup from her and my name won't ever be tied to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afdahl View Post
    It was in the retriever journal but I don't believe they posted it online. Not much of what Dr. Neff said made it into the article. I think the main thing was that it is a misconception to assume that color is independent of all other traits.

    I don't even remember what year that was, but the title was something like, "the color prejudice."

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    The Canine Genome Project was the subject of a lead article in National Geographic. I read the article last year, but don't know what month or if it was even current. Regardless, it was a fascinating article that went way beyond color issues. The objective is to find ways to improve human health, but on the way they made some great observations about breeding for one trait bringing all kinds of unlooked for consequences. Anyway, I would not doubt Amy's comments for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalone67 View Post
    Because Fox reds carry the right genetic codes proving they are in fact a shade of yellow.
    Silvers carry a dd which is not found in labs, but only in Wiemeraners.
    I will come on as a haircolorist here, and as an owner of light yellow and DARK (fox red) yellow dogs.. Genetics aside.. All the ladies on here know when they get their hair bleached, the first thing that appears is a lovely reddish tone. Keep processing and you get orange, dark gold, light gold, yellow, white.. My point is, yellow and gold are all part of red, underlying tones etc. Some ladies will come in and tell me their hair looks RED to them when it is actually Gold which is YELLOW.. Here is a pic of the puppies my dog just had.. As puppies you can see that they are all shades of yellow.. The dark ones will be red, and so on..

    Silver is NOT a color under black or chocolate. It is its own color. We get paid as stylists to add it, or take it away..

    There, you have it. A little morning hairdresser talk about dog haircolor.. I will leave the genetics to you all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DEDEYE View Post

    There, you have it. A little morning hairdresser talk about dog haircolor.. I will leave the genetics to you all...
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    OK, since you asked (almost)…red hair in humans, the classic kind with fair skin and freckles, is associated with the ee genotype as in yellow Labs.

    In general, the ginger/red/tan/orange/yellow/cream colors all come from phaeomelanin, a pigment that is chemically distinct from the eumelanin that gives black, brown, and gray/blue/silver. It sounds as though bleach takes out the eumelanin first, and the phaeomelanin more slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afdahl View Post
    OK, since you asked (almost)…red hair in humans, the classic kind with fair skin and freckles, is associated with the ee genotype as in yellow Labs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afdahl View Post
    OK, since you asked (almost)…red hair in humans, the classic kind with fair skin and freckles, is associated with the ee genotype as in yellow Labs.

    In general, the ginger/red/tan/orange/yellow/cream colors all come from phaeomelanin, a pigment that is chemically distinct from the eumelanin that gives black, brown, and gray/blue/silver. It sounds as though bleach takes out the eumelanin first, and the phaeomelanin more slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afdahl View Post
    OK, since you asked (almost)…red hair in humans, the classic kind with fair skin and freckles, is associated with the ee genotype as in yellow Labs.

    In general, the ginger/red/tan/orange/yellow/cream colors all come from phaeomelanin, a pigment that is chemically distinct from the eumelanin that gives black, brown, and gray/blue/silver. It sounds as though bleach takes out the eumelanin first, and the phaeomelanin more slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie R. View Post
    I think she was talking about colors not found in nature
    LOL A little bit of both. You girls have a fab day...
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    I have read most of this thread, I agree Black Yellow Chocolate is all the colors. I have seen another breed or breed type that is crossed with labs. That is American Pit Bull Terrior. They have Diluted genes also. Seal, Blue, and Tri color. I am no genetis just say'n.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afdahl View Post
    I have it on what I consider good authority that at least some of them are purebred, as "pure" as any individual in a breed that has had a closed stud book only around 100 years.
    Unless you and/or your good authority actually wants to show proof (pictures of dogs, pedigrees and dna parentage tests), it's no better than hearsay.

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