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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    Access to quail reminds me of the quail trick. I have only had to resort to it once but it worked. I would try the other things first but as a last resort try the quail trick. Trick isn't a
    good choice of words but all I can think of now . Sharon Potter posted a detailed explanation of the procedure. I would do a advanced search of quail and Sharon Potter. Maybe she'll jump in with the link.
    Do you mean letting the dog eat a bird? I was afraid to mention it.
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    https://m.youtube.com/#/playlist?lis...Xh8CsEmL3thwE2


    Bill Hillman posted these videos on developing desire.

    Yes I meant eating quail.
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    X-Ten, go to Bill Hillmann's website and blog and watch the 7-part video on creating desire and drive using excitement. The little GR puppy in the video, Tart, comes from Grand Champion and Champion Breed Ring parents. Sometimes and with no disrespect to breeders and owners of Breed ring potential dogs, because I have a LR like this, the desire, drive to retrieve is not quite there and good enough to play the upland, duck hunt, HT or FT games. Tart's owners want this little gal to do field work. With plenty of excitement to create desire sessions, this little gal is ready for more retriever training. Her confidence and desire to do the job her genes tell her to do are there and awake. She's ready for the next stages of training.

    p.s. use a squeaky toy during her excitement lessons and switch to bumpers and birds later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Marshall View Post
    First off I would like to say that I agree fully with all of the previous posts and trying to get your dog to love retrieving is what you should do first and foremost. However, and I will say this is not going to be popular, sometimes you have to think outside the box and do things a little backward. I have had a few dogs that have come through that the owners just wanted a hunting companion and nothing more but the dog had little to no desire and would not retrieve a fun bumper. The dog you describe is obviously compliant and trainable or you would not have been able to train obedience. If I were a betting man I would say that your dog is praise driven. If so as a last resort consider moving forward and force fetching the dog. I know there is going to be wailing and gnashing of teeth over that statement but if your dog is compliant as you describe it will be just like any other skill that you have trained and enforced. Dogs like that sometimes need to be made to do it so that they can find out its fun later on. Only then are you going to bring whatever is in there to the surface. If you are looking for a hunting companion I bet you will be successful with this method. If I'm wrong you won't be any worse off than you are now but I've seen it work.
    I had a 2 year old yellow lab male brought to me 15 years ago by a man that wanted the dog to flush upland birds for him. I tried every thing under the sun to get the dog excited . Squeaky toys , wing clipped pigeons , quail . Name it and I think I tried it. Dog hand NO interest in anything seemed. I called the owner up and said come for the dog , I give up. He could not get the dog due to a trip over seas. And said "please board the dog till he got back home".

    Well I can not leave a dog in a kennel and not work them so , I force fetched the dog , kept working with that idea and what happened was pretty dramatic. Not only did the dog learn to love retrieving , he learned to flush birds and the more birds I shot for him the better he got. Honestly, he turned out as good as most flushing dog labs I have seen.

    That is not the first lack luster dog I have turned into a fine working retriever for owner / hunter. And just this year I ran into another dog like old yellow. And if you see this dog doing swim-by right now - It is doing it better than some dogs I have worked from field Champion bloodline. And that is dam scary ! But will the dog ever go to those high lever of retriever work ? NO ! would be my answer.

    But if you all don't want to believe me - Come here and see for yourself -I have honest witness that will vouch for me

    ( Force Fetch could be a answer towards your problem)

    I agree with what Tony Marshall said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Tennessean View Post
    You are correct. And to answer your earlier post, I do believe that bloodlines/pedigree's carry thier weight.....at the time I was doing a friend a favor plus wanting a new pup. I felt that I owed it to the dog to get some professional training/opinions before I gave up on him to which I am still not ready to do...in the end if he still doesnt show interest atleast I can say I tried and chalk it up as a lesson.
    Yes I could have just as easy put him off on someone else and taken the money and invested into another litter.
    I will place him in a home of someone that is looking for a pet to which he will make a great companion as a house dog at my expense.
    I think placing him in a home is a great idea rather than spending more to get him to retrieve and find out he still is not interested. Unfortunately what time and money you have spent to date is gone if you sell him. Maybe the purchaser will give you some dollars for him. Sounds like a great pet dog! IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Tennessean View Post
    Hello all, I have been lurking/reading and decided to join up to hopefully learn more and meet new folks.
    I've had the bug for a new retriever for sometime now and bought a 3 month old black lab off a college football player who couldnt keep him due to his football obligations. He is not registered but "supposedly" came from hunting stock, I keep him in my home and from day one he did not seem to have the urge or want to retrieve. At 5 months I chose to send him to a trainer to see if it was something I was or was not doing.... He is back home and still does not seem to care to retrieve. He acts more like an older family dog more than he does a puppy and is a perfect house dog, obedient, house broken, doesnt chew on things. I just wish I could build his desire to retrieve, he will retrieve 3-4 times and is done with it, even at that he just kinda lopes to the squeaky toy and will not retrieve a bumper at all. I raise quail so I took a live one out to see how he acted towards that, he will retrieve it and bring back but still has no eagerness or spunk about it !
    I dont want to give up on the pup and thats the main reason I chose to spend the money on a trainer hoping he could do better than myself but unfortionately that was not the case...
    So im curious if anyone else has dealt with this and what if anything did you do to change thier desire or looking for ideas to try ? Any and all info is appreciated.
    Thanks and have a great day !
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    I had the same problem. My pup is 10 months old right now. Retrieving didn't click with her until about 8 or 9 months. She would lope to 3 or 4 marks and then she would be done. She showed absolutely no excitement. I was almost ready to send her home to mom and dad and get me another dog. Now, she can't get enough. She loves to retrieve. Honestly, I don't know what happened to make her this way. Abbie seemed to have more drive when she was around other dogs and when she watched other dogs retrieve. If it was just us out there, she wasn't excited. Im not saying it will get better but I would have patience if I was you. Abbie finally came around and she's doing great now. Good luck!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Tennessean View Post
    He raises and trains British labs
    I found your problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    I found your problem...
    Now that's not very nice. Good luck to you X-Tenn. You have been presented several options, don't dismiss FF.
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    I found your problem...

    Jeez dude...really???

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