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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    This may bot be pertanent either, but some venues Judges are allowed to designate order of pick up. So, it may be required to "no" off a go bird, and pick up the designated bird first.

    some dogs get use to this calamity at the line, and really do fine just keeping them in or on the originating side of the handler.

    I am of the camp that believes the less movement by the dog, the better
    That would be selection and is another whole topic.

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    Russ, I gave Rowdy all the Lardy prescribed cues at the line. As mentioned you just can't hear them. I started poison bird blinds outside the area of the fall. My first video on this showed me doing this with bumper boys. My next session I did outside with ducks. Then moved under the arc.
    I will look for Howard's drill you mentioned. Sometimes I have weekend training partners. I am following Lardy as he says to take a whole season to learn poison bird blinds. Otherwise it may create a bugging issue.
    You can't see it but he looked away from me for a second when I gave him the second cast and that is why I double pumped.
    Thanks for your comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    That would be selection and is another whole topic.

    /Paul
    Paul

    I am glad you answered!
    here is how I look at it.
    If a dog has been competently trained and is comfortable with selection, in your opinion, do you believe the issue of a PB wether it be a blind or a mark, isnt really that big of deal.
    Especially not making an issue out of it, by moving from one side or the other.

    seems to me a dog that understands selection, and works well with a " dead bird" type Que., will do fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    ML, I'm getting to the age where I have trouble stepping over a broom stick much less a dog. LOL!
    But I would like to see that technique. Can you video it and post here ?
    Here goes Wayne! It was difficult taking the video outdoors as it is very windy and T25F. Because of the cold we moved indoors in the agility arena. And b/c of the small area the mark and the blind are very short. One of the videos he skirts around the jump which he was not to do! The other problem is neither one of us are great at using this flip video. So video is poor but we tried to show me stepping over the dog as Pat Burns had demonstrated. And I am trying to get used to this technique?
    I am no expert and this is far from perfect. I realize this technique may not work for all. Tar and I have done the switching sides from the start,but he steps around in front of me. It worked well in HRC. I used it in the Qual b/c the blind was between the flyer and second mark. And yes it could disruptive to his focus but it is black and white to him what he has to do. I think it all depends on how you start your dog out! JMHO

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    Thanks ML. I would surely trip over my dog as clumsy as I have become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Paul

    I am glad you answered!
    here is how I look at it.
    If a dog has been competently trained and is comfortable with selection, in your opinion, do you believe the issue of a PB wether it be a blind or a mark, isnt really that big of deal.
    Especially not making an issue out of it, by moving from one side or the other.

    seems to me a dog that understands selection, and works well with a " dead bird" type Que., will do fine.
    I'm not saying that heeling the dog to the other side is the end all be all to running poison blinds. Its just another tool in the toolbag to communicate to the dog that we're not picking that bird up. Again a lot depends on the setup and the dog. I think a dog that is older, more experienced and fully understands the concept of PB's and is also a good dog for selection, then the value is really decreased.

    Much of this discussion has been around not moving the dog so help maintain steadiness or effect their memory on what they just saw. I have used two sided healing with some dogs to maintain the team mentality and ensure they stay focused on this being a team sport and that i'm in control at the line. Too much independence on the dogs part can be worse than trainability issues. There is no right or wrong with this topic frankly and a lot depends on how comfortable the handler is with these procedures.

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    Mary Lynn
    Don't be doing that steping over the dog crap.
    It's s cop out for those who cannot heel/here their dog left or right through all points of the compass.
    Do same setup as in your bid but, stand still, say no here as you pivot to face blind. Tap your leg if necessary. If dog peaks a look at poison, no here, until dog locks in on blind. The send.
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    PS, flipping a dog can work but doing so takes dogs eyes off the picture and you need to refocus him. Much easier to keep dog on one side. You can then reheel dog backward, eyes still looking out, as a similar que you're running a pbb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Mary Lynn
    Don't be doing that steping over the dog crap.
    It's s cop out for those who cannot heel/here their dog left or right through all points of the compass.
    Do same setup as in your bid but, stand still, say no here as you pivot to face blind. Tap your leg if necessary. If dog peaks a look at poison, no here, until dog locks in on blind. The send.
    Breck Tar and I find the old way easier - let us say!! And yes that is flipping the dog from side to side in front of me but he has done this from the start.
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