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    Default How do you handle this situation (teaching "back" casting to pile)

    Just finished force to pile. We are now on day three of teaching back casting and he is doing great. I have run into a problem twice so far, the dog charges the pile so hard when given the back cast that sometimes he runs clean over the pile and doesn't realize it. What do you do when he gets past the pile? How do you correct him? he is not yet at the point of taking hand signals so I can't direct him back to it.

    In a day or two I am going to start teaching over casting. It's not that big of a deal. Just wondering if anyone has ever had any issues with this.
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    Add as many more 3" white bumpers to your back pile as you can afford to buy.
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    Are you working on simple casting (formerly called baseball)? Do you have some white bumpers in the back pile? What command did you use to get him through walking ff? Did you say "fetch"? So I would start out saying "fetch" when he gets close to the pile to solve this issue.

    I use a check cord but teach simple casting before FTP.

    When I start teaching the back cast in baseball I use a check cord
    and start with the command fetch, then fetch back and then back.
    Hope this helps.
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    Yes simple casting. The pile is 70 yards from me and the dog is directly in the middle. Same position he will be when we start "t". I honestly think he just doesn't see the bumper. It only happened when there was only one bumper left in the pile. I guess I kind of answered my own question with the help of Tim from the previous post. It's not the cleanest field, it has grass about 6-8" high. I just need to make it more visible.

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    Cody,

    I don't want to steer you away from whatever program you may be following. But while you're teaching these basic casts you'll have a much easier time efficiently managing things with a rope (or check cord), and by shortening your distances WAY up. Distance isn't important right now. Making the rules clear is. Just a suggestion.

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    if I had 8" grass and one bumper I would give the benefit of the doubt. sit him and call him back.

    if I had a golf green and 8 bumpers and he ran by them I would think it was avoidance and handle accordingly.

    One way to avoid the high grass problem is using a bucket or a white post of some sort and associating the bumpers with that object.
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    If you need to use this field, you may want to consider taking a weed whacker out there and trimming up the areas where you put your piles a bit. (that or just stomp the grass down nice and flat)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyC View Post
    Yes simple casting. The pile is 70 yards from me and the dog is directly in the middle. Same position he will be when we start "t". I honestly think he just doesn't see the bumper. It only happened when there was only one bumper left in the pile. I guess I kind of answered my own question with the help of Tim from the previous post. It's not the cleanest field, it has grass about 6-8" high. I just need to make it more visible.
    I think pile work is best done on soccer field length grass. Be glad your dog has plenty of momentum.

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    Short grass, white bumpers. You can't force to pile on anything shorter than a hundred yards effectively. No idea how a rope would work a hundred yards long.

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    I have moved back to distances because he is nailing it so well. I worked up close for the first day and a half and it seemed pointless because he did so well. Thanks for all the help guys.

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