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Thread: Saying No to a BYB without being preachy?

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    When they start telling me there dog is "out of" I just interrupt them and say" my Grandpa was from Holland but that doesn't mean I speak Dutch". They usually drop it after that.
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    Some of my longest "dog" conversations were with people like this- 98% of them usually end up agreeing that it is better to buy a new pup and that they didn't realize that so much time, work, and money went in to producing a litter. Over half have called back on occasion for other dog advice including where to find a new pup (I don't breed that often so I don't usually have pups on hand). It all boils down to how much time you have to talk and what type of mood you are in at the time!
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    I recently got a gal asking to breed to one of my males-, so instead of insulting her this was my response. I didnt think that she was going to go through with the clearances but if she didnt know better, now she does and can make whatever decision she wants....
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    "Hello, my name is *** ***** I might be interested in your stud dog(s). Before I commit, I would like to know if you would be interested in having first pick of the litter. I also want to know what your boy's temperament is like? My dog is a pure bred two year old yellowish/tawny/red lab. She is healthy and papered. She is a very friendly dog, loves all people. She doesn't have a mean bone in her body. She is currently in heat, so if you could get back to me as soon as you can, I would appreciate it greatly. you can contact me by email or by phone: *** *** ****

    Me: Hi ***,
    Thanks for looking into my boys for your gal. She sounds beautiful. I love the darker yellows.
    Sometimes I do take a puppy as a stud fee, but the pedigree , and health clearances,such as OFA hips,OFA Elbows,Eyes CERF, EIC and CNM , have to be all in order. Have you done the clearances on her yet? If you havent, you may consider skipping this heat , and getting all of your clearances completed; and breed her next heat.. It will not only assure you that you are not passing on any genetic defects, but also give you a broader market of puppy buyers.
    Do you have her pedigree? I'd love to take a look at it.
    Thanks- hope to talk soon
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    My response last time I was asked about my male was, "that dog has incurable ringworm, but yes, bring her over, and the kids too. I'll fix some dinner."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billie View Post
    Have you done the clearances on her yet? If you havent, you may consider skipping this heat , and getting all of your clearances completed; and breed her next heat.. It will not only assure you that you are not passing on any genetic defects, but also give you a broader market of puppy buyers.
    I like your wording here. And maybe it would make someone think twice and give them a reason they can understand (the market) to do the health clearances. Maybe not the best incentive, but at least maybe they'd get the clearances done.

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    I was approached by someone who like a photo they had seen of my knucklehead. I love my dog. He is part of the family, but he is high strung, very anxious, a whiner, and not a lover. He pants and whines the whole time we sit waiting for birds. Not that pleasant. It is great fun to watch him run, and he is the most athletic lab I have owned (or seen for that matter), but just too much go and not enough whoa. I don't think I would pass on his genetics. Just told that to the fellow inquiring.
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    Some folks like to tell folks there is no way you can make money off of breeding except they have three brood bitches and have litters all year long too. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billie View Post
    Have you done the clearances on her yet? If you havent, you may consider skipping this heat , and getting all of your clearances completed; and breed her next heat.. It will not only assure you that you are not passing on any genetic defects, but also give you a broader market of puppy buyers.
    Do you have her pedigree? I'd love to take a look at it.
    Thanks- hope to talk soon
    One minor picky point though. You know that even w/ OFA hip/elbow/heart and even eye clearances, you can still "pass on" genetic defects. I think it's important to explain that to people too, and ask them if they are willing to make a life long commitment to their puppy families in case something did go sideways either genetically or in life.

    I help w/ our parent club rescue, and find that almost no BYBs (and several who even think they are "responsible breeders" because they do some clearances) will step up and help out folks when temperament or health (dog or family) issues come up. To me, that's not taking responsibility for those lives you created and that tells me the breeder really doesn't give a rip about the puppies they produce. So by explaining the lifetime commitment, that also opens a few folks' eyes...

    Our regional lab club is in the process of changing the club COE to exclude any breeder from listing if they refuse to take back their pups that come into rescue, btw. We have some who only joined (imo) to get cheap advertising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weathered View Post
    I like your wording here. And maybe it would make someone think twice and give them a reason they can understand (the market) to do the health clearances. Maybe not the best incentive, but at least maybe they'd get the clearances done.
    Youre right-not the best incentive-but the market (ie $$$$$$$$$$$) is usually the reason bybs are breeding anyway. I dont have a problem with providing a service to people if they care enough to do all the clearances. Theyre going to breed to someones dog , and if shes healthy(ie all the clearances) and the pedigrees are safe, why not use one of mine.
    HOME OF:
    Waterspook Sables Dark Secret, MH (Sable)
    Trumarcs Bankshot Bandit, MH ( Fats)
    Waterspook Tomfoolery, SH ( Tommie)
    IN MEMORY OF::
    Waterspook Bankshot Whiz Bang,JH (Jesse)
    Waterspooks Girl Named Bill, SH ( Billie- my princess.....)
    Waterspook Kickin' Gunshot, SH ( Boom)
    Waterspook Kickin' Good Time MH(Kick)
    Waterspooks Partner In Crime, SH ( Bouncer)
    Brush Creek Waterspook, JH, WC- my first girl.(Spooky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    Some folks like to tell folks there is no way you can make money off of breeding except they have seven or eight brood bitches and have litters all year long too. Lol
    There...fixed it for ya.
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