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    I have begun training my 4 year old CLM for field trial tests. I am having trouble at 250+ yard blinds judging the depth relation of my dog to the blind. My dad passed on to me a really nice pair of 10x40 binoculars (think they were originally 800-900 bucks) he used for birding. I have researched the forum about field of vision. Will I see a big difference dropping down to a 7 or 8 power (first number) binocular? In training with these binoculars my dog is way too fast and my hands seem way to shaky to watch him run the blind thru the binoculars. Would love some input.

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    If my poor memory serves me I think I remember something about a 4xfor blind work..Steve S
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    I use the Bushnell 900' Field of View Xtra-Wide Binoculars for those extra long blinds and they work good for me. I have seen other handlers use them also.
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    I have the Bushnell Xtra Wides as well (I think they are 4X30).

    They are focus free, so you can whip them up to your eyes and find your dog quickly. Not great magnification, but good enough to quickly assess what in general your dog is doing way out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitty View Post
    I have the Bushnell Xtra Wides as well (I think they are 4X30).

    They are focus free, so you can whip them and find your dog quickly. Not great magnification, but good enough to quickly assess what in general your dog is doing way out there.

    Those Bushnell's are by far the most popular binos for dog training, but I hate them. They work but they are very low quality optically; fragile prism's that are easily knocked out of collimation, are not water proof, hang awkwardly against the chest and are quite bulky, other than that they are great. For $90.00 - $100.00 I much prefer the Leupold Yosemite 6x30 binocular. At only six power, once focused beyond 20 yards or so, they are good to infinity without further need to focus. Low enough power and wide enough field of view to be useful. Very compact in the hand and against the chest. Water proof with a lifetime warranty.

    If you can't tell, I'm a binocular freak, don't tell my wife, but I currently own Leitz Trinovids, Leica Ultravids, two high end Nikons, Fujinon, Pentax and Leupold binos. I have extensive experience with Zeiss, Swarovski and many other alpha brands. Those little Yosemites, hold their won against $2,000.00 Leicas and Swaro's. They are a huge best buy bargain, usefull for all kinds of field glass use. Try them out and see if you like them.

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    I agree. I tried the Bushnell wide views. They don't require focusing but they're never really ever in focus either.
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    I find that binoculars are almost useless on a land blind. The dog is moving too quickly for you to use the binoculars, blow the whistle and cast effectively. From time to time, I try binoculars on a land blind and confirm what I already knew - they don't work for me.

    I will use binoculars on a long, large water blind, where I need to pick up a little black dot in big water. The water keeps dog speed to manageable levels and a binocular can really help
    Like John and John I find the Bushnells to be useless. Too low on magnification and quality. I use an 8x power Eagle Optics, recommended by a friend who used to hang out on RTF and earned his keep following bird migration. Good price, good optics, lifetime warranty.
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    Like John I to am a binocular freak. And agree compleatly the Leupold Yosemites are the best glass in the price range.
    6x30 gives light transmition for those darker days. Easy to hold steady with there slightly bigger size and 6 power.
    Watch out for cheap roof prizm glass there optical quality isn't there. You get a better view with Porro prizms for the price.
    I like my swarovski 8 power pocket binos for hunting since they fit in a shirt pocket and have great optical clairity but for the quick target acquisition like a running dog I would use my Yosemites.

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    I agree on land blinds, Ted. My dog too quick or I am too slow. But useful on water blinds. I remember when binocs were not allowed by some judges--"intimidating the judges." Hell, now the judges use them sometimes! Times change...

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    Land blinds, definitely not to see the dog. They are however useful to see the ribbon or "the" bush. All too easy to get confused in the moment and try to cast your dog to the wrong bush.

    Water blinds, yes. The smart thing to do is watch the dog progress through the binoculars. If you lose the dog and then try to find him with the binoculars you are done.
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