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    Am I the only one who actually thinks termination was to extreme in this case? Before you jump all over me the Arbitrator agreed with that assessment. Sensationalize all you want, but it is not like the guy was whacking off in the class room he opened an adult joke in a class room with no kids in it. I agree that it was a misuse of time and resources and that punishment was deserved, but there are many shades of gray before termination. Had a situation at my work where a co-worker was caught with a hustler magazine in his work space. He was given a verbal warning. Four more incidents and he will be terminated. Seems to me common sense won out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    In the can't win crowd the union takes members money and does nothing. When a does union take action the union is bad for defending a member. Isn't it what unions are supposed to do? Give me a break,Stan.
    Z....so typical....so 'unions' are supposed to represent their members in court actions, even if what the guy did was immoral, and an affront to all parents and kids everywhere. No one is saying he did not do it, they are saying that he has a right to do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Z....so typical....so 'unions' are supposed to represent their members in court actions, even if what the guy did was immoral, and an affront to all parents and kids everywhere. No one is saying he did not do it, they are saying that he has a right to do it!

    I know 'sick' liberal babble when I see it....!
    Yes unions are supposed to defend their members. That is why people pay dues. The union doesn't have to like defending people but they have to. That is the difference between them and a lawyer. A lawyer can refuse to take a case. As for saying he has a right to do it I disagree. I did not read the whole report but it seems the person who made the complaint maybe wasn't as offended as she stated based on her own behavior. Maybe I read it wrong but it seems the arbitrator basically said she shouldn't have been offended. As I stated in an earlier post I have no clue what the school policies are to know if the school took proper action or not.

    i am not condoning the behavior of the teachers. As far as I am concerned none of them should be teaching. If the school district doesn't strengthen their web filter and make clear concise policy and action now then shame on them. With the right policies no one has to complain. All the school district has to do is monitor the web traffic for infraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Z....so typical....so 'unions' are supposed to represent their members in court actions, even if what the guy did was immoral, and an affront to all parents and kids everywhere. No one is saying he did not do it, they are saying that he has a right to do it!

    I know 'sick' liberal babble when I see it....!
    They are required by a basic contract entailed by accepting membership dues. They don't have to condone a member's action but they are obligated to mount a defense. The union did not say he had a right to do it, but that the consequences meted out by the school board was not even handed.

    The arbitrator agreed and rescinded the firing but meted out a consequence equal to the most severe consequence to the others involved.

    Read the arbitrators decision through the link I provided above. Maybe then you can reply with sufficient knowledge.

    As for your sick liberal comment, you know where you can jam it.
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    Food for thought.

    Middleton leans to the left at a rate of almost 2 to 1. We all know how the education system generally tends to lean. There is zero doubt that the union hired libs for attorneys, and the same goes for the school district. They both had to approve of the arbitrator. It is truly hard to imagine how this could have turned out any differently.

    I wonder if the teacher was able to collect on unemployment, and if so, will the state require it to be paid back? It seems that he will not have missed out if he gets back pay. It seems that all involved stole from their employer and so I will stand for the taxpayers who bent over pretty good on this deal.

    As a parent I demand that my children's safety and well being, let alone their education is being handled by people that have the fortitude to hold off their vices while on the clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sick lids View Post
    Food for thought.

    Middleton leans to the left at a rate of almost 2 to 1. We all know how the education system generally tends to lean. There is zero doubt that the union hired libs for attorneys, and the same goes for the school district. They both had to approve of the arbitrator. It is truly hard to imagine how this could have turned out any differently.

    I wonder if the teacher was able to collect on unemployment, and if so, will the state require it to be paid back? It seems that he will not have missed out if he gets back pay. It seems that all involved stole from their employer and so I will stand for the taxpayers who bent over pretty good on this deal.

    As a parent I demand that my children's safety and well being, let alone their education is being handled by people that have the fortitude to hold off their vices while on the clock.

    As for your charges of political bias, you have no basis for your remark, other than the suppositions that have passed through your own filtration. Do you have facts to back up your point or are you just shooting from the hip?

    Liberal/conservative labels have little meaning here. This is labor relations, not politics.

    My explanation of the unions obligation to present the case on behalf of its member in no way means I am out to pin a medal on the dude. As far as the teacher, he had a failure in judgement. But so did the board apparently on several fronts. They failed to be even handed in their discipline. The legal expenses they spent in trying to reverse the arbitrator would have bought a lot of books and lab equipment. They vowed to accept the arbitrator's decision going in. It was surefire they were going to lose the appeals when they didn't get the results they wanted.
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    So the administrator who received and forwarded the same types of emails received no punishment while the teacher got fired, and the arbitrator noted that there was evidence to suggest that Harris was singled out due to his union activity and criticism of the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrettG View Post
    The one to get fired should be the district IT guy that can't come up with a filter for district computers that blocks stuff like this. The district I work in some has the best filter I've ever seen.

    Probably all they could afford due to the budget cuts made under the Walker administraion. Or it may have been an old friends company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Probably all they could afford due to the budget cuts made under the Walker administraion. Or it may have been an old friends company.
    Budget cuts made a teacher look at pornography in the classroom?


    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Budget cuts made a teacher look at pornography in the classroom?


    Really?
    Stan you really are a work of art.. Really.The reference is toward the districts internet filter system.

    Teacher is a douche for what he did during school. But more to the point, all of he kids have the same access.
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