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    One of many results of an educational system that ignores history, or tries to "re-write" it according to an "agenda", is that it can bite you in the behind when their significance is overlooked.

    I never realized the following nuance:
    September 17, 2009, the date when the Obama administration scrapped plans for a missile shield based in Poland (supported by a radar installation in the Czech Republic). Some sort of alternative system will eventually be put in place, but the initial decision (and, doubtless, subsequent hesitation) was seen in the region as a statement of weakness in the face of Russian pressure. The fact that it was announced on the seventieth anniversary of the USSR’s 1939 invasion of Poland — a date well-remembered in a part of the world that knows its history — only added a perception of American ignorance to American weakness.
    Imagine if No Korea or Iran scheduled a nuclear test for Dec. 7 or Sept 11? Except if they did that it would probably be with full knowledge of the significance of the dates.
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    The USSR did not invade Poland in 1939!
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    Good reference, Henry. It's easy for us to forget these details since those events were far removed from us at the time.

    The Soviet invasion of Poland was a Soviet military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, immediately after the end of the undeclared war between the Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan at the Battles of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Far East. The MolotovTojo agreement between the USSR and Japan was signed on 15 September 1939, with a ceasefire taking effect on 16 September 1939.[6] On 17 September, sixteen days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. The invasion ended on 6 October 1939 with the division and annexing of the whole of the Second Polish Republic by Germany and the Soviet Union.[7]
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    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

    Not Poland but the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth known today as Belarus. That eastern commonwealth was created after WW1. Belarus after WW2 and the breakup of the USSR. Because of religious differences, the Lith territory was broken up into two separate countries. Had that territory been Poland's, it would have gone back to Poland after the demise of the USSR.

    Since we are talking, "nuances" of history.
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    The Agreement that Pres. Reagan signed with the Soviet union prevented us from putting a missile defense shield in Poland. Pres. Bush did make the decision that all of our agreements with the Soviet union were null and void, because the Soviet Union was no more. The now Russians seemed to think that the change in government style did not nullify every agreement they ever made. pres. bush decided to hand it off to the next president as his term was winding down and Obama decided to keep all the arms agreements that Reagan had agreed to. So the real question is do you want to start the arms race all over again, because that is exactly what putting missiles in Poland will do.
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