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    My club is venturing out into the world of holding an owner/handler qualifying stake. I would like to be more educated as to what this entails and so went looking at the AKC rule book. I could not find specifics as to number of series, what types of series, distances, etc. Would someone please point me in the right direction?

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    Typically has 4 series: land marks, land blind, water blind and water marks. There are no distances prescribed but they are usually easier than an Am. You won't often see two retired guns in a Q but you will very often see one. Best resource is to watch a few, probably second best is to read the judging manual.

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    You club will have to have held a field trial also in order for AKC to approve an O/H Qual with a hunt test. (if that is what you are doing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeannie Greenlee View Post
    You club will have to have held a field trial also in order for AKC to approve an O/H Qual with a hunt test. (if that is what you are doing)
    You do have to be licensed to hold a field trial, but the club does not have to have actually run one. It is easier, of course, if the club already does FTs, but not an absolute requirement. I know of several HT only clubs who hold OHQs.

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    Thank you all for responding. I have marshalled a number of Qs and know what they look like. I was hoping for some definitive parameters.

    It is good to know that AKC approval to hold a field trial is required before holding an OHQ. I have passed that on to the powers that be.

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    Thriller x Bebe puppy
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    CH Sun Devil Nil Volentigus Arduum MH, WCX (Bebe)
    CH Clarion's Light One Candle (Molly)
    forever in my heart:
    CH Wimberway's Curly Baybelle ROMX (Bay) 1981 - 1996
    CH Soft Maple Crossing Delancy JH (Hannah) 1997 - 2004
    CH Soft Maple O'Dark Thirty CD RN MH WCQ ROM HOF (Jet) 1997 - 2010
    CH Jollybodies Touch 'Em All Time JH (Lola) 2001 - 2013

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    rule # 1 of a O/H is that YOU MUST be listed with the AKC as the owner and/or Co-owner of the dog you are running .

    these are my observations over the years..

    there are no distance limitations.
    you may wear white while handling your dog
    there is no standard like in a hunt test.. YOUR dog is competing against all the other dogs entered...best dog that day wins
    no attention getting devises use in the field...usually just a shot and throw...
    1st series is usually more or less a standard MH set-up (triple) on steroids and gets harder from there....
    most blind are for the most part black and white...meaning if there is a Key-hole, piece of cover, point, water on-line to the blind its in your best interest to try to hit it if you would like to be considered to be called back......

    good luck and most important have fun!!!!!!!!!!

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    Trust me. I KNOW what a field trial looks like. The last Amateur stake I marshalled had two 400+ yard marks with the 3rd (live flyer) being a short 150 which many dogs blew by. They needed scopes to find the blinds.

    The reason I was asking about distances was to get an idea of how much property would be needed to run a Q and what actual parameters were required.

    Thanks again, everyone.
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    to be some day owned by:
    Thriller x Bebe puppy
    co-owned by:
    CH Sun Devil Nil Volentigus Arduum MH, WCX (Bebe)
    CH Clarion's Light One Candle (Molly)
    forever in my heart:
    CH Wimberway's Curly Baybelle ROMX (Bay) 1981 - 1996
    CH Soft Maple Crossing Delancy JH (Hannah) 1997 - 2004
    CH Soft Maple O'Dark Thirty CD RN MH WCQ ROM HOF (Jet) 1997 - 2010
    CH Jollybodies Touch 'Em All Time JH (Lola) 2001 - 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by jollycurl View Post
    The reason I was asking about distances was to get an idea of how much property would be needed to run a Q and what actual parameters were required.
    Well then, all that really depends on the property. I judged one where what we had to work with was slim in terms of cover and terrain and the wind wasn't coming from a great place, so we had a choice between some really long stuff or some shorter, more technical and neither were in danger of going in the judges manual as an example of what a Q should look like.

    I would rarely put out anything like 300-400 yards in a Q, but as I said, I might have to. 200 for sure and I definitely would want at least one that was beyond typical hunt test distances even if I had great places to put the birds. The blinds will almost always be longer than HT distances but I have never seen one where I needed binocs to see it, like you will get in the AA stake some times.

    This is so general, I know it doesn't help much but if you have good land, you would not need much more than what you would need for a good MH stake with lots of trucks to park.

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