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    We as a citizenry need to come together and make an ammendment to the Constitution declaring that no federal legislation or laws can be passed without the majority of the citizens having by majority vote approved it. Not sure how to get this idea forward but I sure want to stop this insanity.

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    Scott thats a great idea but unfortunately it's somewhat "pie in the sky"...along the lines of your thinking I like you wish that my/your elected Representatives and Senators voted the way their constituency wanted,but you and I along with everyone on this board knows we dont have a true representative type of government

    My "pie in the sky" wish is that we would vote locally/electronically and or Reps/Senators would have no choice but to cast their vote the way the way their constituency voted...

    Right now the only recourse we have is to vote out the incumbents, one at a time..Just think what an impact it would have if EVERY incumbent in 2014 went down to defeat...it would make every other person's sphincter pucker like they were visiting a proctologist

    As much as I hate to say it, there isnt one Senator or House member that deserves to keep their job..I just dont think the voting American public has the stones to throw the incumbents out
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    As big a fan as I am of Mark Levin, the states wont amend the Constitution...BECAUSE you have to change the participants first...the current list of players wont pass a kidney stone let alone amend the Constitution..vote out the incumbents first, get some like minded politicians, then make the changes
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    Bon, and that will never happen because if politician or party is set on changing how things are done in Washington, they are branded lunatics, extremists, anti-american, and (here's the real problem) the masses (particulary on one side) fall in lock step with that propaganda. It amazes me, it seems like everyone is in agreement that government is too big and it's a problem, and Washington needs to be changed, yet there is villification of people in government who wish and act to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntClub View Post
    Bon, and that will never happen because if politician or party is set on changing how things are done in Washington, they are branded lunatics, extremists, anti-american, and (here's the real problem) the masses (particulary on one side) fall in lock step with that propaganda. It amazes me, it seems like everyone is in agreement that government is too big and it's a problem, and Washington needs to be changed, yet there is villification of people in government who wish and act to change it.
    I will take your premise one step further:

    people want you to compromise- but what they really want is for you to "compromise to their way of thinking"

    or they want you to change your Senator but not theirs (in my case my senator IS the problem)

    dont misread me, I am not for a socialistic whatever I have you should have too, But until everyone gives up a little then we are stuck at the same stalemate- gridlock

    I also not in favor of the mentality that just because one makes more then they should give more and subsidize those that give/have absolutely nothing

    I actually believe their are enough slices of bread from a loaf to go all around but one person cant have a triple decker club while someone else is left with the heel
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    Bon

    Its not going to happen fast!

    many Blue states.. many Blue ideologues.

    Over time however..

    Here is part of the interview I posted earlier about this topic.

    Blue states will collapse (Detroit)

    Its fiscal inevitability.


    The bottom line is this: What I’m suggesting is, under the Constitution, people shouldn’t be afraid of the two methods for amending. One method is--I want to be clear about this—Congress, two-thirds of both houses, proposes amendments. What I’m saying is there’s another part of the very same Constitution that people take an oath to uphold in Congress and that those of us embrace and revere, the second part of that Article V says that the states--two-thirds of the states--can meet and propose amendments, and three-fourths of the states under both systems have to ratify. So there’s nothing radical about this, and it is time for conservatives and constitutionalists, people who love liberty, Tea Party activists, to stop allowing the left to tell us how to think, where we can go, to keep us in a box, and I’m saying we need to embrace the Constitution to save the Republic.
    Jeffrey: In the book, Mark, you write that you used not to be a fan of that second way of amending the Constitution, having the states call a convention for amendments. Why did you change your mind on that?
    Levin: First of all, I used to buy the argument that it’s a constitutional convention until I actually read Article V. There is no constitutional convention. It’s a convention for proposing amendments. Proposing amendments. So two-thirds of the states meet at a convention--and as a matter of fact, at the beginning of our country, states used to meet all the time. The states used to enter into compacts all the time. They don’t do it anymore because the heavy fist of the federal government seems to take up all this space.
    What I’m saying is we ought to reconsider that, get back to that, the Constitution encourages it. And I used to think, well, we’ll have a constitutional convention, the people today aren’t nearly as bright as our original Framers, and we’ll have this runaway convention and the change of the government. It’s not possible, because you still need three-fourths of the states to ratify. So, what do I get? I get two arguments: One, we’ll never get three-fourths of the states to ratify, and the other end is, well, we’re going to destroy the Constitution. So which is it? The bottom line is this is a process, a gradual process, and I want to encourage as many people as I can to talk about it with family and friends and co-workers, to explain it, to promote it, because it is the only way out. The federal government, Congress, the Supreme Court, the president, the bureaucracy, they are not going to reform themselves, they are not going to limit their activities. Only we can, through our state representatives from the bottom up.
    Jeffrey: So, specifically what you’re calling for is that state legislatures around the country, using their power under Article V of the Constitution, pass resolutions calling for a convention of the states to propose amendments to the Constitution.
    Levin: And they’re proposing amendments to the Constitution, to all the states. So three-fourths still have to ratify. This will take time. We have a lot of blue states, who are perfectly happy with an all-powerful centralized government, with governors and legislators that kind of enjoy that. We are going to have a lot of Republicans who are not going to want to fight this because they tend to be weak status-quo type Republicans. So, we’re going to have to focus on state representatives and state senators. And a lot of these states that are blue now, they’re going to collapse. They can’t print money. You see what happened in Detroit. This is just the beginning.
    So the left, the statists, have been at this for a century, from the income tax to the elimination of the way the senators were picked, the progressive movement. We conservatives are always looking for quick fixes. You know, if we can’t fix something in 15 minutes, then we give up. I’m saying we have to be as resolute, if not more so, than the left, and begin this process now.
    Jeffrey: So, these resolutions to call for this national convention for amendments could be approved by a simple majority of state legislatures?
    Levin: That’s correct.
    Jeffrey: Would the governors be involved?
    Levin: Congress isn’t involved either. Under the Constitution, Congress’s job is ministerial, like a part-time Obamacare employee, where they basically collect the resolutions of the states, they turn it into the archivist of the United States, and if there’s two-thirds, then the states can go ahead and meet. If Congress tries to interfere, as was stated in the Federalist papers by none other than Alexander Hamilton, who was one of the advocates for more centralized government, Congress has no role. If Congress tries to obstruct it or prevent it, the states should meet in any event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott2012 View Post
    We as a citizenry need to come together and make an ammendment to the Constitution declaring that no federal legislation or laws can be passed without the majority of the citizens having by majority vote approved it. Not sure how to get this idea forward but I sure want to stop this insanity.
    Your on the right track, as summarized below the U.S. Constitution does have an option that we all can drive at the state level. We can go around Congress and the President and put constitutional amendments in place that the Congress cannot change and the President cannot veto. Read Mark Levin's book The Liberty Amendments, Restoring the American Republic It is a good read and defines the history and the process of doing this!

    Additionally, vote for good strong Conservatives within your state and in the primaries for all National elections! Turning the ship around will take time, remember it took over 50 years of Progressive Liberal Activism supported by the propaganda of the popular media to get us in the mess...

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    I believe Levin is right there at it. Yes.... It will take ....no doubt.... many many years and a big movement to get the masses involved and interested in the day to day affairs of this nation . I just can't think this great nation is not without a group of people who really want to do more than just talk about reform. I see a fight ahead .... but what isn't.

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    Voting for a Democrat or a Republican won't change a thing!

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