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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post
    i have enjoyed this thread. a discussion like this brings us all closer to God by its thoughtfulness. when i quoted Isaiah 58:8 & 9 as support for the vast gap between our thinking/logic/ideas of justice and God's, i hoped to convey also that by raising our level of thought and contemplation, we all always become closer to our Creator.

    if in my simple, (hopefully) humorous and less than perfect way i have posted anything anyone found to be outside the bounds of my true heart for others, i apologize.

    this is a fun, funny, fun loving group. i am pleased to participate with you all.

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    You certainly haven't offended me. When it comes to discussing religion and politics, even when one is very civil, one still runs the risk of offending someone. I won't live my life afraid to participate in a free exchange of ideas because one of my ideas might offend someone. I believe that in discussions like this one I conduct myself civilly. I don't call names, and I try not to suggest too strongly that folks with differing viewpoints are cognitively deficient . I am, after careful thought, going to attempt to put forth a cogent position on the topic being discussed. I am not going to apologize for holding or putting forth that opinion. I might apologize if I stoop to calling someone "stupidhead" unless the provocation was extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    You certainly haven't offended me. When it comes to discussing religion and politics, even when one is very civil, one still runs the risk of offending someone. I won't live my life afraid to participate in a free exchange of ideas because one of my ideas might offend someone. I believe that in discussions like this one I conduct myself civilly. I don't call names, and I try not to suggest too strongly that folks with differing viewpoints are cognitively deficient . I am, after careful thought, going to attempt to put forth a cogent position on the topic being discussed. I am not going to apologize for holding or putting forth that opinion. I might apologize if I stoop to calling someone "stupidhead" unless the provocation was extreme.
    Maybe... But you do show passive aggressive tendencies and seem to have some sort of hangup about your superior intellect as it compares to those you are conversing with. A legend in your own mind? Food for thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by roseberry View Post
    .........this is a fun, funny, fun loving group. i am pleased to participate with you all.

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    I am still waiting on a graph, chart or mathematical equation explaining in scientific terms what love is!!!
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    Franco, I have been reading back through this thread and came across your link http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/religdev.html. I hadn't read it the first time. I read it this time. I especially enjoyed this passage: "The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another."

    Wow. Very thoughtful, and lucid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Wow. Very thoughtful, and lucid.
    thoughtful and lucid enough so that we might all make the connection. then we can see the genius of hugh likened to that of atomic scientist, saint and heretic philosopher.

    is that what you were fishing for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    Franco, I have been reading back through this thread and came across your link http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/religdev.html. I hadn't read it the first time. I read it this time. I especially enjoyed this passage: "The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another."

    Wow. Very thoughtful, and lucid.
    Another from one of my favorite heretics...

    Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance, and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion.

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    If we didn't have religious dogma, fire and brimstone then what, just spirituality?

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    Going to have to dig up my Five Books of the Verdas, been a while since I've scanned though them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Another from one of my favorite heretics...

    Religion comes from the period of human prehistory where nobody—not even the mighty Democritus who concluded that all matter was made from atoms—had the smallest idea what was going on. It comes from the bawling and fearful infancy of our species, and is a babyish attempt to meet our inescapable demand for knowledge (as well as for comfort, reassurance, and other infantile needs). Today the least educated of my children knows much more about the natural order than any of the founders of religion.

    C Hitchens
    Franco, my memory fails me. Maybe you can quote what Obama said about some of us hanging onto our Bibles and our guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    Franco, my memory fails me. Maybe you can quote what Obama said about some of us hanging onto our Bibles and our guns.
    OK, I give up. What did he say? I'm a Libertarian and don't pretend to know what is best for others like the Dems and Repubs. BTW, our Party's Platform states that law abiding citizens should not be subject to any gun laws, period! What's the Repubs' Platform on guns?
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    OK, I give up. What did he say? I'm a Libertarian and don't pretend to know what is best for others like the Dems and Repubs. BTW, our Party's Platform states that law abiding citizens should not be subject to any gun laws, period! What's the Repubs' Platform on guns?
    I can't remember exactly what he said. Maybe someone else can tell us. I have no idea what the republican platform is. I seldom vote my party choices because I don't like what they are saying etc. I was wondering if perhaps Obama's view of the Bible and yours were much the same.
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