Hey everybody should hit up a specialty one time and get a conformation certificate on your Lab; We had a grand time parading all the MHs (45lb to 90lb) labs with whippet tails and weirdo coats around (for $10, at a hunt test once). Every single one of them was determined to be a lab, given a certificate, and the fawned upon by the judges on their movement. Only problem was none of us knew what a trot was (it's not throwing a bumper and releasing a dog, that's running), (it's not quick stepping with your dog on lead; that's jogging) It took us forever to figure out a trot is what a field lab calls a normal walk. Very entertaining to watch a bunch of old guys in camo, attempting to put their dog into a trot .
True a CE certificate is the WC of the show world, but it is a nice piece of paper to pull out and say YES I have a LAB; he's been tested .
Last edited by Hunt'EmUp; 02-13-2014 at 01:18 PM.
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There were ten competing Labs gone over at the National Amateur. All got a Conformation Certificate and included Grady and Trav. They were gone over by AKC conformation judges from the LRC. We have high hopes this will continue as a regular event.
At the '13 Golden National Specialty, two of the judges spent one day at the field trial (one judge could not attend due to a family emergency). They viewed the Amateur and the Qual, and at the Qual, they basically sat on the line with the judges. John Gassner and Andy Whiteley acted as their mentors and answered all questions, etc. Both judges wrote excellent critiques of their day and were impressed by the quality of the field Goldens. We hope this will become a tradition as well.
Conformation judges tend to judge what they know or are used to seeing. Early on, those that judged sporting dogs actually hunted themselves so were aware of what a good hunting dog needed in order to last out the season. One way to help educate judges, particularly those that are not breeder-judges, is to include field dogs (high level, active field dogs) in their judges' training seminars. Have the judges go over them, find out what hard working condition actually feels like under your hands, evaluate movement, and learn why the saying "form should follow function" has meaning.
I grew up riding and training horses. In an event such as hunter-jumper conformation, not only would the horses have to perform, they were then stripped of their saddles and their conformation judged at that point. Wouldn't it be great if all the conformation retrievers had to retrieve across a pond and then be judged while soaking wet for the Goldens. The Labs would have to physically run a certain distance, retrieve a bird, and return within a limited time frame and still remaining standing while being judged on their conformation. I guess the term is "dream on."
This is the same old conversation that happens every year after Westminster. I think we can all agree that we have a "type" of look in Labradors that we like. Labradors are not the only breed with the division between the "show look" and the "field look" (setters, spaniels etc). Each venue breeds the best to the best and in time they get the "best" of what does well in their particular venue. Both parties are guilting of straying from the standard. To group all show labs together is as silly as grouping all field labs together. Myself I like the look of a moderate show bred Labrador, however I can appreciate the working ability of any retriever regardless of the breeding.
My first CH/MH was a dog who finished his title at 8 1/2 years of age, and continued to run tower shoots and hunt for 3 years after that. That dog got his Jh title and was show to his show CH first. He was training but not running at that time, he was approx 5 when he titled. He was then tragically burned over 2/3 of his body 3 months after getting his CH. He fought to live and live he did. He went on to get his SH title and MH title, he was my first MH dog and 39th CH/MH in the history of the breed. You want to talk about determination and bottom end - this boy had it - along with the sweetest personality. At the time I was running him in master, I was also running a QAA dog. There wasn't a single hunt test that I didn't wish that I could combine qualities from each of those boys. I really enjoyed it and loved each of them for their differences.
If a person wants to play the field trial games - he gets a field dog. If a person want to play in the show dog word - he gets a show bred dog. If a person wants to hunt and run hunt tests he can get whatever he wants. Any dog that hunts or runs in hunt tests or trials need to be in good working condition - period. It's really just that simple folks. The reason I run hunt tests and judge is because I love to see the dog work, and the people who love them. Just because a dog has a look that isn't my type doesn't mean that I can't enjoy and appreciate it. I work with both types and own both (CH/MH FlatCoat, field bred MH, show bred MH)
Let's all be nice, and enjoy the dog work.
Waterspook Sables Dark Secret, MH (Sable)
Trumarcs Bankshot Bandit, MH ( Fats)
Waterspook Tomfoolery, SH ( Tommie)
IN MEMORY OF::
Waterspook Bankshot Whiz Bang,JH (Jesse)
Waterspooks Girl Named Bill, SH ( Billie- my princess.....)
Waterspook Kickin' Gunshot, SH ( Boom)
Waterspook Kickin' Good Time MH(Kick)
Waterspooks Partner In Crime, SH ( Bouncer)
Brush Creek Waterspook, JH, WC- my first girl.(Spooky)
Coppertop's Captain Kirk CD MH WCX CCA VC (Kirk) 2004-2011
Gaylans Roddenberry a la Mode SH WCX CCA (Kira) retired
Top Flight's Cayuga Klingon SH, WCX (Worf)
Coppertop's Trill of a Lifetime SH, WC (Dax)
Emeline's One Hot Vulcan (Spock)
I'm a black dog kinda guy, but that boy is great looking!!!
We are only as good as those that surround us.
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Gettin' Jiggy Widdit-MH
Dancin' Dreamer Kate-MH (dam of FC-"FINN",QAA-"Coal"-MNHofF, QAAs-"Tank", QAA-"Allie", MH-"Tease", QAA-"Hardy", MNH-Ruby)
RIP Jiggy, Kate, and sweet mama Dancy!!!
And yes to Karen/Billie. I always joke that sometime between 6.5 and 7 wks pregnant, mine will finally look somewhat "show ready" (see below pic of a 6.5 wk preg girl vs before breeding last year). The whole thing about no tuck only means no TUCK (think U shape like Weims or Pointers). It doesn't mean they need to have a rounded or even straight underline. That's something pointed out to me by a Canadian show person years ago.
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