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    Interested in contacting the Labrador Retriever Club, you can go to their web site at www.thelabradorclub.com. If you go under the heading "about LRC" you can scroll down and find how to reach various contacts. For general contact go to info@thelabradorclub.com. Your letter will be read, a reply will be sent, and the Board will know about it if it is on a pertinent subject. If it is asking for info re getting a pup, breeding a dog, etc. , you still will get a reply, but it won't necessarily be presented to the Board. Be sure that under subject on your e-mail it is obvious you are asking a question or wanting to discuss a subject. If it is empty or says something like "hi" or mentions Russian girls, it will not be opened!

    There are a lot of good areas on the web site you might wish to explore. Every member of the LRC Board cares deeply about the future of the Labrador Retriever. All have been actively involved with the breed for many, many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazed View Post
    Like most of the opinions stated in these 23 pages, i watched Westminster sporting group, and was not thrilled with what the breed group judge chose as "representative" of the lab breed. Once again, any chance of a lab taking BIS was thrown out the window. I did go back and watch about 1 1/2 hours of Lab Breed Group judging, it was 2.23 minutes in length if i remember right. It was evident about 4 minutes in, that the judge was favorable to the body type that later represented the breed. Each time, 5-10 dogs were pulled out (out of 76 total entered)at a time and judged. I would estimate that at least 1/2 of those dogs, longer in leg, and indicative of the "Breed standard" were passed by with barely a look. It appeared that the judge was not familiar with, or maybe biased against the leaner, more athletic appearing lab. Every one of them was dismissed.

    I rarely voice my opinions, however i Emailed both westminster council, the LRC, voicing my displeasure at such a sad representation of this wonderful breed. I suggested in the future that any future judge be selected from FT, HT judging, as well as Confirmation background. In all fairness, i am a proud owner of a "Show Lab", who is seeing first hand that they are capable of doing the work labs were bred to do. But, as an admirer of all things Labrador, I believe we must all stand up for the breed, no matter what the "Type", and promote this wonderful working, loving animal, by voicing our opinions en masse to the appropriate panel, or official representatives, and get this train back on the rails.

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    Nice to see after all the name calling finger pointing and other general BS it apears that all folks concerned with the future of the labrador agree that this years representative was a gross misrepresentation of the breed (Nicole and paulies owners excuded). My question is why did the LRC see the need to change the standard in the 90's? Did the previous standard not represent the breed? Hopefully some folks much more knowledgeable than myself can elaborate on why we need to continue to change a breed standard on a dog that has been the mnost popular AKC registered dog for many years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBoley View Post
    Nice to see after all the name calling finger pointing and other general BS it apears that all folks concerned with the future of the labrador agree that this years representative was a gross misrepresentation of the breed (Nicole and paulies owners excuded). My question is why did the LRC see the need to change the standard in the 90's? Did the previous standard not represent the breed? Hopefully some folks much more knowledgeable than myself can elaborate on why we need to continue to change a breed standard on a dog that has been the mnost popular AKC registered dog for many years?
    As I recall, one of the changes was to make more than 1/2" under or over the height in the standard (of an adult dog) a disqualification. That's when the wickets came out. And also when the show breeders who bred the English style specialty type Lab started howling like smashed cats! I don't think many judges follow this part of the standard. Why should they? They don't follow the rest of it either, for the most part.

    I think the other change was that they allowed for a slight wave in the coat down the back and on the rump.

    There may be other changes or my interpretations above may be incorrect. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Glenda-

    Thanks so much for your post. Maybe there is hope after all!

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    In my opinion the change to the standard has nothing to do with the look and weight of the show Labrador of today. If anything it may have TRIED to help by having a DQ for undersized dogs that we saw in those days.
    The problem is the BIG breeders and breeder judges present their dogs in fat condition and place the same type. I feel really bad for the owner , that this years BOB winner is getting slammed all over , but it is about time we started screaming! At least take the weight off , even if you don't create an athlete structurally ...
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    It's one thing for the field lab people to whine about dogs being over-weight, they've been whining for years, (the 80's at least ) the show people do not care. When they start getting it from other sources, the other breeds, the dog health advocates, the vets, and media (all those people who like to stick their nose in), they may start to care. If they keep making the Lab the biggest Laughing stock in sporting breed, on a national stage. Then you might actually see some change, or at least the dog be transferred into the working group with the rottweilers, where it won't look as out of place .

    I congratulate the Golden's a few more years of showing such dogs and we might see a golden in the final. Heck they might have a chance at the big prize. Golden's just might beat out a Labrador at something yet j/k
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    http://slimdoggy.com/when-did-overwe...he-new-normal/

    I don't think this newer article got posted but actually has some neat info in it. I had sent it to one of my vets the other day and she loved it. Today, had Sr well checks and to be honest, I held my breath as I felt the one was 2# overweight (60 instead of my preferred 58#). We talked about the depth of bodies/chest that are so en vogue. She feels those dogs are going to be at higher risk for bloat/torsion possibly. So not only are we looking at shortening life spans by 2yrs on average, how would people feel if their dogs started dropping to torsion even earlier? It just makes me sad.

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    Good info in that article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windycanyon View Post
    http://slimdoggy.com/when-did-overwe...he-new-normal/

    I don't think this newer article got posted but actually has some neat info in it. I had sent it to one of my vets the other day and she loved it. Today, had Sr well checks and to be honest, I held my breath as I felt the one was 2# overweight (60 instead of my preferred 58#). We talked about the depth of bodies/chest that are so en vogue. She feels those dogs are going to be at higher risk for bloat/torsion possibly. So not only are we looking at shortening life spans by 2yrs on average, how would people feel if their dogs started dropping to torsion even earlier? It just makes me sad.
    I too really liked this article, posted it on my FB page as well. I think that it's root point is critical - regardless of the breed standard - that any dog carrying that much weight is unhealthy. Specific to Labradors it is especially disconcerting, considering the popularity of the breed, to promote a look (obese) that has significant physiologic and musculoskeletal impact. Such a big impact that it shortens lifespan by up to 2 years. As a veterinarian I have never understood why breeders and competitors in this area of competition would want to risk their dogs health and longevity. Not to mention the potential effects on reproduction.

    My opinion is that obesity should not be promoted in such a public way. It would be nice if the organizations governing the conformation competitions, who also emphasize the fact that they support the health of the purebred dog, would work to assure that dogs representing ANY breed are healthy, in addition to meeting breed standards. They are not ignorant of these facts - the following from the AKC website as general information for dog owners:

    "Weight – A healthy dog’s weight is the result of the balance between diet and exercise. If he is getting enough nutritious food and exercise but still seems over- or underweight, he may have a health problem. Don’t let your dog get fat by giving him too many between-meal snacks; obese dogs often develop serious health problems. The best way to tell if your dog is overweight is to feel his rib-cage area. You should be able to feel the ribs below the surface of the skin without much padding."

    As many have pointed out -- it all starts with the judges -- they pick the winners, and if they were selecting fit dogs instead of obese dogs then things would change. Without that fundamental change it will continue. Again as this well done editorial points out it happened in human body building. It happens with halter horses (pigs on stilts). Dogs are no exception. Sad.
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