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    Default Need Help! Dog whining at line in anticipation of blinds/marks

    I was turned onto this forum by a good friend in regards to a recent issue that has come up with my pup. This is my first competitive/hunting dog so I was hoping to see if anyone else has had and was able to overcome my issue.

    He is a year and 3 month old black dog. About a month and a half ago he started to give voice at the line in anticipation to running blinds as well as sometimes during a multiple mark after the first or second bird is shot.

    On a blind as soon as you say "dead bird" he will start whining, sometimes giving a small yelp in what seems like anticipation followed by a bark when you say "back". I don't know if it's pertinent but he has a half of a hunting season under his belt in the duck blind with more then 100 retrieves with great blind manners.

    I am not so much worried about his initial bark he gives out after I send him but more so at his "bad manners" of whining and yelping while birds are shot. (Which I am sure have some direct correlation) I've also noticed when release on a water mark with a short land entry (basically jumping right into the water) he will whine halfway to the mark sometimes

    I've been told by my handler that this is a hard habit to break and potentially career ending if not addressed right away. Considering the money and time I have into my hunting buddy that is unsettling to hear considering I am hopeful to take him through MH and up potentially to nationals (or attempting =) )

    That all being said, any more details that I need to provide? Does anyone have some daily drills I could try at my local park to help overcome this?

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    Jason

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    I'm no help.... but I will say this .... I hope my pup has that problem....������


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    Hah I like it. Thanks for the words, hoping some ppl will chime in with advice. Heard a lot of good things about this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waycool View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackdogtroy View Post
    I was turned onto this forum by a good friend in regards to a recent issue that has come up with my pup. This is my first competitive/hunting dog so I was hoping to see if anyone else has had and was able to overcome my issue.

    He is a year and 3 month old black dog. About a month and a half ago he started to give voice at the line in anticipation to running blinds as well as sometimes during a multiple mark after the first or second bird is shot.

    On a blind as soon as you say "dead bird" he will start whining, sometimes giving a small yelp in what seems like anticipation followed by a bark when you say "back". I don't know if it's pertinent but he has a half of a hunting season under his belt in the duck blind with more then 100 retrieves with great blind manners.

    I am not so much worried about his initial bark he gives out after I send him but more so at his "bad manners" of whining and yelping while birds are shot. (Which I am sure have some direct correlation) I've also noticed when release on a water mark with a short land entry (basically jumping right into the water) he will whine halfway to the mark sometimes

    I've been told by my handler that this is a hard habit to break and potentially career ending if not addressed right away. Considering the money and time I have into my hunting buddy that is unsettling to hear
    considering I am hopeful to take him through MH and up potentially to nationals (or attempting =) )

    That all being said, any more details that I need to provide? Does anyone have some daily drills I could try at my local park to help overcome this?

    Thanks,
    Jason
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    How long ago did you force your dog to the pile and did this response show up then?

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    Unfortunately by way of anecdotal observation this is often an inherited genetic behavior. I am aware of certain dogs who had to be surgically de-barked and witnessed their offspring w/different mates passing on this characteristic. People have used the collar/prods/whiffle bats, etc..to modify limited behaviorial change. Sometimes it is due to too much training/competition. It is a tough one. You must find a knowledgeable mentor in your immediate geographic area to observe/help now.

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    Some dogs do have a genetic predilection for noise. There are bloodlines within the US which are known to be vulnerable. Additionally it's always seemed to me that the US training style unless very carefully applied can and does give rise to over anticipation that expresses itself in yapping and fidgetiness. Whining is also catching, one dog picks it up off another, so there is a potential cocktail of underlying causes.

    It is indeed a hard habit to break, and whatever route you take will burn up a lot of training time and energy (and probably money). Randy Bohn, an occasional contributor to this forum specialises in treating this behaviour and has had success. His approach is based on very high obedience performance of all tasks, and a "there is no free lunch" ethos. I strongly suggest you contact him. In this thread Randy makes the offer of analysing you and your dog via a video upload >>>> http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...ght=randy+Bohn <<<< so the geographical problem is overcome, at least initially.

    Personally I don't think there is much milage in the collar / prod / bat / whip approach.

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    This was another good thread about noisy dogs.

    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...t=Fixing+noise

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    If you are serious and don't do what Eug suggested above you'll have missed the boat.
    Have some one shoot several videos of you and dog including taking dog off truck how you put collars on, air him, heeling to holding blind, in holding blind, going to line, running marks and blinds. Try to include shots of how you and dog move on line and capture how you talk to your dog. Also show what you're doing to correct your dog for noise or obedience.
    Personally I wouldn't bother doing anything but that right now then try to learn what to change and keep the highest of standards going forward.
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