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Thread: Are the written breed standards this different?

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    That means I'm over finished as a show cow ,but I'm dam near perfect in the dog show ring !
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    I use my 51 lb BLF to do obedience demos for clients and you wouldn't believe how many people ask me "is that a lab". I don't have a full frontal pic of her but she looks like the epitome of the performance bitches we see every weekend at a trial. You couldn't mistake her for anything else.

    Granted... the average person doesn't know any better but they often make comments leading me to believe that they think the show standard is, in fact what a lab should look like.
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    Russ,

    I gave a response in the other thread that addressed your question in part.

    The popularity of the breed is part of the reason. Dedication of breeders to maintain the 'true' type is another. Winning begets winning is another reason. When someone sees one type of dog being put up they start to believe that is the correct type and then breed/show/place that type. Show judges have the option to excuse dogs for lack of merit. But, what do you do when entire classes lack merit? I don't think there have ever been many judges that would excuse entire classes for lack of merit.

    We are also getting farther and farther away from when these breeds were established and the conditions for which they were bred. So, the need/desire for dogs to match their breed standard have decreased.

    There is also the other side of the coin where some field types have little resmblence to the breed standard too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawninthesticks View Post
    That means I'm over finished as a show cow ,but I'm dam near perfect in the dog show ring !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    I use my 51 lb BLF to do obedience demos for clients and you wouldn't believe how many people ask me "is that a lab". I don't have a full frontal pic of her but she looks like the epitome of the performance bitches we see every weekend at a trial. You couldn't mistake her for anything else.

    Granted... the average person doesn't know any better but they often make comments leading me to believe that they think the show standard is, in fact what a lab should look like.
    It must be a regional thing... I live in North central Minnesota where the lab is the most popular dog anywhere, and most labs look very similar to what you see on this website. Hunting dogs basically. Lots of Byb-ers, but I've never seen anything resembling that show lab. I actually thought maybe it was some weird newfoundland cross when I saw the pic.

    I always figured that dogs were weighed and measured to make sure they were at breed standard before they could compete....I was mistaken, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    I use my 51 lb BLF to do obedience demos for clients and you wouldn't believe how many people ask me "is that a lab". I don't have a full frontal pic of her but she looks like the epitome of the performance bitches we see every weekend at a trial. You couldn't mistake her for anything else.

    Granted... the average person doesn't know any better but they often make comments leading me to believe that they think the show standard is, in fact what a lab should look like.
    I hear all sorts of stuff.

    "What kind of Lab cross is that".

    "Do you have a Golden Lab?"

    From a member of my breed club "What kind of dog do you have?" Of course I replied "A Golden".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdgnyc View Post
    "What kind of Lab cross is that".
    I get this a lot about my field bred english cocker. I just reply "the kind you couldn't afford"

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    The Golden was developed to be a gentleman's hunting companion, hunting upland game in Scotland.
    Not the same as the Chessie, who was developed to hunt waterfowl under the most adverse weather and water conditions.
    Very different functions, different temperaments, different body structures.


    Quote Originally Posted by achiro View Post
    Wait what? I hope you expound on that some. From the first paragraph of each breed standard.

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    Ok look at the dog in the foreground. I know it's not the best picture, but I think she meets breed standard better than most of the show dogs. She's a bit long in the loin, but she has a great head, otter tail, and lab coat. She stands 21.5" (dog in back not standard at 27") and weighs 55#. Her daddy was a UKC show champion (not as big as AKC dogs) and momma was a MH field dog. I wanted a lab who looked like a lab!! I was hoping to take her to Lab National last year a put her in the performance confirmation class.

    It's sad the breed has had to split so bad to get a dog good in the field and one that can point in the show ring. Windycanyon has beautiful labs too.

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    One more pic, head shot
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    USJCH SHR The Captain's Licker's Quicker MX AXJ WC "Quinn" (BLF 10/28/09)
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