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    I would definitely try the Tylan Powder. I would also look at possibly an endocrine disorder. I know they have a specialized test for it at Texas A&M. I don't know about Canada. After that, I would find a good internal medicine specialist who has been around the block on more than one occasion.
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    I hesitate to throw out such simplicities, but...

    1. You may have tried this, but... Pepto caplets may take a few doses, but they do seem to work on every part of the digestive tract, which, as the dog can't talk, is pretty convenient (check with vet if it's okay to try)
    2. have you tried throwing a glob of (plain, good-quality) yogurt into his food with each meal for a couple days?

    At the least, these are inexpensive options.
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    Thanks for all the suggestions folks. Both posts and PM's. All your input is greatly appreciated! Keep it coming!! Its becoming a very frustrating ordeal to say the least. Any new ideas I will be sure to try or at least discuss it with the vet!

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    I would definitely do a probiotic. Fortiflora is probably the best on the market. However, since I have multiple dogs I use ProBios which is sold at TSC or just about any place that sells horse stuff.

    I had a bitch recently that started having diarrhea for no reason. Her stomach gurgled too. I had her at the vets and they couldn't figure out what was wrong. I did the Tylan powder, the panacur, all the stuff you're supposed to do, but it didn't help. They did a culture on a stool and she had a lot of bacteria in it. Ah ha! Bacterial overgrowth. They wanted to put her on a bunch of meds, but I had been through something similar with a dog years ago. We call it dog crud. It's not campylobactor, it's just an overgrowth of bacteria for whatever reason.

    I told my vet I was going to treat her myself over the weekend and if it didn't work, then he would do whatever he wanted. I put her on Cephalexin only twice daily and waited. Sure enough, 12 hours later her stools were normal. 24 hours later she was completely normal and I didn't give her another dose of Cephalexin.

    You might consider following the directions here http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/crud.html If it doesn't work, you're no worse off.

    Good luck no matter what you end up doing.

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    Just throw something out that we have been going though with our Golden for 5 years. Similar symptoms was very hard to diagnose. A few weeks after a hunt test my male stopped eating, and got very lethargic. We worked with our vet and eventually with an emergency vet center. All the tests showed nothing including the 'tic panel'. We went to another vet that we had used a few years before, he was an older guy with lots of experience. He thought even though his tests for tic born diseases was negative, that those tests are notorious for false negatives. So he put us on Doxy....in 3 days our boy was back on his game, still weak, but eating and moving around....in the last 5 years this has come back on him 3 times, for no reason he just gets lethargic, stops eating. Our vet again puts him on doxy and he snaps right back...strange but true. We think from what we can find out that this is probably Lyme's disease.

    You probably already considered this, but I take a chance that it may help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam Spears View Post
    Our dog had similar symptoms. Tylan was the first thing we tried that had a major effect (after a long string of various things that didn't help.) Through trial and error we found that he also needs an enzyme supplement and a low-fat diet. We never finished the testing and endoscopy: since we were able to resolve the symptoms why put him through the anesthesia. It also seemed as if he developed a fear of eating, knowing it would make his stomach hurt. It took quite awhile before he ate normally again..
    With the safety of modern anesthetics I have a hard time justifying this. With endoscopy and biopsy, you could have a diagnosis in 2 days. If it's not something involving the upper GI tract then you can move on looking for another cause. Why put your dog through trying this and that when you could potentially identify the etiology and treat it?

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    You are correct it is next logical step in the diagnosis process, however I'm led to believe that it is also an accepted practice to try the medications. If either drug works then we are most likely treating IBD. I considered the exploratory surgery and biopsy, but after discussing the options with my vet we decided that in this particular case we would run the trials of metronidazole and prednisone. That said the metronidazole isn't helping so prednisone is next I assume.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Mann View Post
    With the safety of modern anesthetics I have a hard time justifying this. With endoscopy and biopsy, you could have a diagnosis in 2 days. If it's not something involving the upper GI tract then you can move on looking for another cause. Why put your dog through trying this and that when you could potentially identify the etiology and treat it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newf View Post
    Just throwing this out there to see if any of you guys may have encountered the same problem and figured it out.

    Sometime last fall My dog, a 3.5 year old CLM started to have days where he would not eat. At first, it was just a day, no big deal, we assumed he just wasn't feeling well, and the next day he would be fine. From there it progressed to not eating for 2 days, then he would eat again. This same scenario occurred every four to six weeks. When at Christmas it happened twice in the same week. From there forward it occurs about a week apart and is lasting several days. The typical symptoms that accompany the lack of appetite are gurgling stomach/intestines and lethargic, in an effort to get him eating we added canned food to the diet which also seemed to cause semi-soft stool. The wet food helps to get him eating but there are times when he dosent want that either.

    Initially pancreatitis was suspected, that got ruled out, then Addison's Disease, which was also ruled out, from there we get suspected IBD. He's been switched to prescription diet food and we have started a trial of metronidazole. For the first couple of days we thought the drugs were working, as the stool had become firm. But now he has completely stopped eating again. I suspect we will now be trying prednisone for a trial....

    We have done several blood tests, x-rays, and ultrasound. I've had his medical records looked at by a few different vets, nobody has been able to suggest anything other than what we have already tried. I've tried contacting the breeder to see if either of the parents had any issues, but seems she has completely disappeared. We are completely stumped here, and to be honest, I'm losing faith....

    Has anybody on here experienced something similar? Any ideas?

    I would recommend diagnostics before using prednisone, which may or may not be needed. Here are 2 hospitals that have veterinary internal medicine specialists:

    http://westernvet.ca/

    http://www.guardianvetcentre.com/htm...ices/index.cfm

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    An endoscopy is not exploratory surgery. It's a pretty benign procedure that is extremely safe.
    If a patient comes to me with a problem I'm going to figure out the cause before I start different treatments. I do the same with my dogs.

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    We had just switched to a new vet. She asked right away if he was on Tylan or a low fat food, and a probiotic, and he wasn't. She suggested I try them and if he didn't improve we would schedule the endoscopy the next week. After 2 years of fiddling around, he was better in 24 hours. All better. He has put on 14 pounds since then (a year) and is eating like a hors…. well, like a dog, LOL. So we didn't do the endoscopy. But I was willing, we were desperate.

    Previous vet played with diet and treated with metro over and over and over. Diagnosis revolved around giardia (several positive results,) bacterial overgrowth, and "nerves."
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