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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    If the dog isn't a washout, it wouldn't be for sale.

    And it certainly wouldn't be advertized for sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Adams View Post
    I agree with most of what you have said, but not this: "believe that ANY dog being advertized to be sold, is being washed out."

    There are a lot of reasons that people sell started dogs.
    1) Some prefer working with young dogs, and then selling them to help finance their hobby.
    2) To put a young dog into someone else's hands and watch it become a player is a point of pride.
    3) Some prefer the training over competing.
    4)Young dogs generally don't require the time and resources that All-Age dogs will. 1 trainer with one helper can accomplish lot.
    5) Some people see an opportunity to finance other priorities in life by doing something they enjoy.
    6) Generally speaking, the more dogs you can put your hands on, the better trainer/ handler you can become.

    Anyone care to add to this list?
    Pretty well sums it up in my book. Done all of the above. There is a market out there for field trial prospects too, that to build a reputation you have to be willing to sell the best dog you have ever owned. If you are not willing to do that then perhaps you shouldn't be selling dogs. A started dog has many definitions, one could be selling dogs for their potential or promise of a dog in the venue you are selling. To some folks a started dog among the Pro ranks could be a dog on the National Derby List, QAA and not derbied out. So you are buying the proof of perhaps the pudding down the road. A washout could be about anything.
    Personal knowledge of a "washout young trial dog" for about $2500. some folks picked up, put it with a pro from a experienced amateur, went on to have over 100 all-age points titled both ways and competed in many nationals. Conversely a dog out of a very prominent pro field trialer camp's client was told not to buy the 20 month old dog.Price was dropped in half, Hunt Test Pro bought the dog and she went on to be a finalist in 6 Master Nationals. Was she a washout, I didn't think so, but, she went on to do great things in the AKC hunt test game. Found out later there was a conflict with the buyer, client and trainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shawninthesticks View Post
    I thought you wasn't allowed to play on the computer after you been drinking
    That's funny right there!
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    I have a young dog now I am planning to sell. She is 16 months old. Out of Nafc and a canadian national finalist Who has produced qual. all age dogs. I have three young dogs and an All age bitch that went nine series in the recent national. I have to reduce number so I talked to my trainers and we picked the two you dogs that seem like they are doing the best and that we can evaluate at this time. Sophie is low girl on the stick. She has been with Kevin Cheff for 10 months doing pretty well he likes her but she is low girl so my wife and I are selling.

    Is she a washout. Nope, could go on and do great things it seems she is maturing a little slower than the other so we made the decision. So the OP asked how we priced. I have 10 months of pro training. 900 a month plus all other costs so I say I have 11k invested plus puppy cost although I bred her. I am asking 5k but has to be the correct home.

    I want to move her within the next month reduce my training bill so we figured 5k was a good number.

    So, you know exactly how we came up with price. To me she is not a washout. I would keep if I didn't have two other young dogs plus an all-age who just turned on and won several opens. We planned on retiring her but not now, so I must sell a young dog.

    There ya go. Hope that helped folks understand that all dogs being sold are not all washouts and how people come up with their price.


    Written on phone so sorry. One post just upset me with his absurd comments.


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    Chris, your explanation is a great example, that people who sell started dogs, are not getting rich from it. Even if the cost of Pro training is not factored in, it is far and away the exception that someone will profit on selling young dogs, although it does happen. The motivations to sell are personal and different from dog to dog and owner to owner.
    Buyer still needs to beware, but for those with the shekels, it may be a less costly route, to buy started dogs.
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    I have a problem following this thread, I have a boy that is QAA and a MH, but since his true love is huntig (so is mine) I told my Pro to run him on a few hunt test set ups while training for F/T since I could see he was getting down on F/T training I asked that they run him on a few H/T set ups to keep his attitude up. After 3 weeks H/T training instead of F/T training he ran 7 masters and finished 6 in a row for his MH and then successfully completed the Master National. Is this a wash out? Hopefully we will have success this year in both veniews. It depends on your goals, are you in it for you or for your dog? Our dogs dont have egos, we do, go for where heart sends you.
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    I pretty much do #1 in Scott's post 3 or 4 times a yr. When I buy a pup at 7 weeks it's already being groomed to sell as a started dog. Anyone ever washed out a 7 week old pup? lol


    Quote Originally Posted by Criquetpas View Post
    Pretty well sums it up in my book. Done all of the above. There is a market out there for field trial prospects too, that to build a reputation you have to be willing to sell the best dog you have ever owned. If you are not willing to do that then perhaps you shouldn't be selling dogs. A started dog has many definitions, one could be selling dogs for their potential or promise of a dog in the venue you are selling. To some folks a started dog among the Pro ranks could be a dog on the National Derby List, QAA and not derbied out. So you are buying the proof of perhaps the pudding down the road. A washout could be about anything.
    Personal knowledge of a "washout young trial dog" for about $2500. some folks picked up, put it with a pro from a experienced amateur, went on to have over 100 all-age points titled both ways and competed in many nationals. Conversely a dog out of a very prominent pro field trialer camp's client was told not to buy the 20 month old dog.Price was dropped in half, Hunt Test Pro bought the dog and she went on to be a finalist in 6 Master Nationals. Was she a washout, I didn't think so, but, she went on to do great things in the AKC hunt test game. Found out later there was a conflict with the buyer, client and trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laird's Retrievers View Post
    I have a young dog now I am planning to sell. She is 16 months old. Out of Nafc and a canadian national finalist Who has produced qual. all age dogs. I have three young dogs and an All age bitch that went nine series in the recent national. I have to reduce number so I talked to my trainers and we picked the two you dogs that seem like they are doing the best and that we can evaluate at this time. Sophie is low girl on the stick. She has been with Kevin Cheff for 10 months doing pretty well he likes her but she is low girl so my wife and I are selling.

    Is she a washout. Nope, could go on and do great things it seems she is maturing a little slower than the other so we made the decision. So the OP asked how we priced. I have 10 months of pro training. 900 a month plus all other costs so I say I have 11k invested plus puppy cost although I bred her. I am asking 5k but has to be the correct home.

    I want to move her within the next month reduce my training bill so we figured 5k was a good number.

    So, you know exactly how we came up with price. To me she is not a washout. I would keep if I didn't have two other young dogs plus an all-age who just turned on and won several opens. We planned on retiring her but not now, so I must sell a young dog.

    There ya go. Hope that helped folks understand that all dogs being sold are not all washouts and how people come up with their price.


    Written on phone so sorry. One post just upset me with his absurd comments.


    Cheers

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    I recently did the same thing with a 14 month BLM. He was low man on the stick. He was with Jim Van Engen and then Jason Baker.
    I had about 12K in him and sold him for $5K. I have a four year old all age BLF that is starting to turn on and a 5 month BLF that will
    go to Jason in a couple months. Trying to keep my pro training bill to 2 dogs per month.

    The young man that bought the BLM, plans to run him in some derby, SRS and maybe AKC hunt tests.
    He is tickled to death, and got a really nice dog for a really nice price!!!
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    Regardless of what the ad says, I believe that ANY dog being advertized to be sold, is being washed out.[QUOTE]

    That's a pretty ignorant thing to say,,and does not apply to every one.
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    Sometimes, people sell dogs because their personalities don't click. I have seen that happen numerous times. The new owner goes on and takes them to being a field champion or whatever. It's not all because they are truly a "wash out."
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