WC and WCX for the Goldens is considerably different than the Labrador WC. Labradors also have a CC (CCA) I don't know it's as highly sought after. I know many CH Goldens who get their CCA as it's judged differently and takes attitude into consideration. When I took my dog for her CCA one dog was DQ'd for going after the other dogs during socialization.
At Labrador National they have a "performance" conformation class. I've not seen it yet but hope to put my husbands lab in it next fall. It allows altered dogs. They have a contest called "The Challenge" and it's about scoring Q's and points in multiple venues including conformation. They don't count the CC or WC for The Challenge if my memory is correct. So they created an additional conformation class. I'm curious how my husbands lab will do. She looks like a lab, adheres to standard but has a tiny waist.
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URO1 UJJ Casino Farm's Reddi Teddi RN "Teddi" (GRF 10/22/06)
USJCH SHR The Captain's Licker's Quicker MX AXJ WC "Quinn" (BLF 10/28/09)
HR UCD URO1 UJJ SmokinGold Hoot N Holler CD, SH, RA, GO, AXJ, MX, MXB, VC, WCX, Triathlon 2012 "Gabby" (GRF 9/28/10)
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[QUOTEc;1191948]The problem is with the Conformation system. Across the board, for ALL breeds of dogs.
And they aren't going to change the system just because we can't use what it produces for honest-to-goodness functional purposes.[/QUOTE]
This is the pot calling the kettle black, you are the problem not me! If you did/thought my everything would be better.
Before there were recognized breeds dogs were referred to what they did, retrievers, herders, flushers, etc. From there breeds were developed. Once a type was set a standard was developed. The standard describes what the breed is. This goes beyond just how it looks. It inclubes attributes that are often unique to that breed. In some cases it may include disqualifications.
It much easier to blame the field Labrador faction for the breed split that the show faction. The field type labs are not shown, and have not been shown in numbers for at least a couple of decades. Ultimately, judges can only judge what is exhibited to them. As time goes by that type becomes set in peoples mind as being correct.
They went on that week to get their WC or WCX. Fast forward to last years Specialty in Texas, Leanne after a couple years of training got fourth in the Qualifying. She continues to compete in Show, Obediance and Agility, but is now interested in field trials. Leanne also encouraged and helped my field trial buddy Dave Cheatum to show his field trial dog in the field-show event at the specialty where Fire earned a second place.
Now I have to say, regardless the feel good story I just told, I think the split between field and show dogs is even larger in Goldens than Labs. Hopefully Leeanne is one of the first pioneers in leading us back to where we came from.
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I was playing the devil's advocate. Several people have commented in various threads that they think show Labs should have to prove they can retrieve to be called a Champion Labrador retriever. Their logic is that the dog's are representing the breed and should be able to do the work.
Using the same logic, but from the other side of the fence, why shouldn't a field Lab be required to meet some minimum requirements of the standard in order to represent the breed as a Field Champion Labrador retriever. After all, they too are representing the breed.
If both of these policies were put into practice, I'd bet that show Labs would become better in the field and field Labs would be more likely to meet the basic requirements of the standard.
Just food for thought.
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