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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    Those who advocate mail in entries have undoubtedly never served as an event secretary.

    I have and no one who served as FTS pre EE would ever agree to return to mail in entries

    Been there and done that. No desire to return to the bad old days. There was a reason that the Rocky Mountain Retriever Club was the first club in the country to use Entry Express.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post

    Been there and done that. No desire to return to the bad old days. There was a reason that the Rocky Mountain Retriever Club was the first club in the country to use Entry Express.
    You don't miss getting to know the participants a little better when they showed up at your door with an entry in hand?

    What about the bad checks? You have to admit that the challenge of sorting that all out gave you an adrenaline rush

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    The solution appears on the surface at least to be as easy as apple pie...

    Post the number of slots available , we will use 120 for an example.
    All who wish to run the event, Must enter and pay with a CC.
    After the close, have the draw with all he entries included.
    The first 120 drawn are in .
    No scratches without a VALID* reason after the draw
    The position of the Valid scratches would be given to the dog with the next number in the order of the draw..

    Refund the money of those that did not make the cut

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    *Extenuating circumstances decided in advance and published in the premimum ... If you don't like them don't enter in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleHaul View Post
    You don't miss getting to know the participants a little better when they showed up at your door with an entry in hand?

    What about the bad checks? You have to admit that the challenge of sorting that all out gave you an adrenaline rush

    You mean the people who showed up on my door step at 6 am? Or the people who gave me their cell phone number, so I could tell them their running numbers? Filling out the post cards that people sent? Sending all that stuff to the AKC? No rush, many headaches.
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    Yet another proposal:

    Have a limit on Sat/Sun entries (60, 120, whatever). Dogs without an MH have top priority for the Sat/Sun run(s). Every entrant pays by CC.

    After the non-MH dogs fill Sat/Sun slots, there is a random draw for the remaining Sat/Sun slots for MH dogs.

    BUT, entries for dogs with an MH will be given the option of being moved to a Monday/Tuesday test if they don't get into the Sat/Sun test. The catch is that the Mon/Tues test entry fee is $40 (or so) higher than the Sat/Sun fee. The extra cost for the Mon/Tues test is to cover the cost of additional labor, since many club members cannot volunteer on work days.

    The draw for spots will be 2 weeks before the trial. Entrants are informed by email whether they got into the Sat/Sun test.

    If you had indicated on your entry that you would not accept a Mon/Tues slot, you'd be informed that you were entered on Sat/Sun or you were out and your money would be refunded on your CC.

    If you had indicated on your entry form that you would be willing to show on Mon/Tues, and you didn't get into the Sat/Sun test, you would have 4 days to pay the extra cost, which brings the date up to the usual deadline of 10 days before the trial.

    A four-day trial would be more of a headache for the club, but they'd have extra funds to help with the extra days, and a lot of the infrastructure for the test would already be in place for the Mon/Tues test. The porta-potties and equipment would be there, the lease for the ground (if needed) would simply be extended a couple of days.

    It's a free-market solution. If people want in that badly, they'd probably be willing to pay the extra charge. It doesn't penalize the pros because the dogs' owners are paying the extra fee. I can see that some pros might not like it because they'd almost certainly be stuck with a 4-day trial, running some dogs Sat/Sun and others Mon/Tues.

    Fundamentally, however, I agree with everyone that says its the MNH structure that is the core of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PalouseDogs View Post


    A four-day trial would be more of a headache for the club, .
    Well there is THAT HUGE UNDERSTATED ISSUE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    Those who advocate mail in entries have undoubtedly never served as an event secretary.

    I have and no one who served as FTS pre EE would ever agree to return to mail in entries
    Well, hate to dissappoint you Ed, but I have been the event Secretary. Going back to the paper entries is more work for the event secretary but it gives control of the entry situation back to the club, right now, without having to go through the RHTAC rule making process.
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    Anyone else noticing that the 120 are filling up day of but the 180s still have spots open until close? Looks like they're running @ 150ish could that be the magic #?
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    I really think people need to look at what Agility is already doing with limited entries.

    It has several advantages including the following:

    - AKC is already familiar and have approved.
    - allows club to reserve a certain amount of spots for workers
    - limited spots filled at club's option on either a 1st come 1st served basis or by random draw of entries. (AKC sugests that if the limited spots fill within 24 hrs that they use the random draw method)

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