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Thread: Can Field Labs Stand, (stack or whatever)?; Photo Challenge

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    OK so I've been reading all the conformation threads, with interest. What I got out of most of them is that conformation judges have a certain idea what is standard, perhaps because they never see the other lab type. Then I've been looking at the pictures of the pass dual champions, and most field type labs; seems like all the standing pictures of these type of lab are dated 20's, 50's etc. It is very hard to find a modern Field Lab who is standing (stacking); all the pictures of this type are Labs sitting. Thus it is hard to put them up as a side by side comparison.

    So I'm sitting at home last night, having a cocktail and figure how hard can it be to get a picture of a field lab standing, why not try it. After a few attempts conclusion is..It is very very hard, field labs move around, or they sit, then when you get them to stand they look like they're being tortured. We also got out the measuring tape and stood on the scale. (we won't mention how much of my weight I had to subtract, to get theirs )

    So I throw it out to the forum, Can you get a picture of your Lab standing? Perhaps we can get a few nice pics, or at least we can have a bit of fun.

    Just so no one feels embarrassed, I'll go first here are my attempts at, conformation stand field lab

    6yr. Female (height 23in; Weight 65lb) in standard abet being tortured, and looks like she's gonna be getting a few less cookies
    Kota.jpg

    14mt. Female (height 22in Weight 55lb) in standard abet being restrained, not done filling out so I'm guessing ~60-65lb when she's done
    storm.jpg

    I'm definitely not interested in a conformation assessment; but I did get them to stand
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    I think field labs don't like to stand because they are tired from running. The show labs stand becuse they are tired of laying down.
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    My (then) 8yo male was accepted to participate in an orthopedic study at Texas A&M; I think they were interested in elbows, but all I know is that you'd get free comprehensive exams and reports, so I took him. After dropping him off and heading for some breakfast (they said allow 2 hours), I got a call before I could even order my eggs. "You can come get him. We can't use him. He won't stand for the X-rays". Well no $hit. He's been trained to sit since he was 7 weeks old....

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    Good thread!
    It is not hard to teach your dog this (and, I think, perhaps some conformation breeders would take 'us' more seriously if we could ever show them that a field dog in good condition in a standing position).
    This is what I do. Have my dog sit. Throw out something enticing a few feet in front of them. While they are looking at it, physically stand them up and tell them stay. Step back 6 feet and snap a photo. Release to fetch said item. If they sit back down again before I get the photo or release them, I just go prop them back up. Takes all of 5 minutes to learn the drill and then you can get more fussy about foot placement later. The toy/bumper out front gives them something to focus on so they aren't turning to look at you - seems to work better than a human helper.

    Best way to measure height- just like a kid! Have them stand next to a wall, mark a spot, and then measure that. Much easier than trying to measure the dog

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    Keep in mind that even with a dog standing quietly, their structure can look a lot different depending on if they are hunched up, leaning slightly backwards (ready to pounce!) or if your camera angle isn't square on or at dog level.
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    A requirement for obedience is to “stand for an exam”

    As erin said.. Its not hard to teach .. I use a different method than what she described but there is more than one way to skin a cat (or a dog I guess)...
    none of my dogs have a drip of “show” blood ... but they can “stand”

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    How do get them to stand still? Teach it.

    Here is a young retriever learning to "whoa", "down" and "sit" with verbal commands and/or hand signals during daily OB sessions. The final expectation was to have Gunny return from a remote sit and do multiple, alternating "sits", "downs" and "whoas" (with verbal commands) on the way back to "heel" (off lead).







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    It's easy to teach....but on iPhone so won't attempt to explain, I'll leave it to others.

    also search RTF a few years back a few RTFers with an eye toward conformation were kind to do evaluations on those willing to post pictures...but as usual if my memory serves me correctly it went down hill cause people don't have thick skin and take things personally....
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    Just to clarify- the method I described is not how I teach 'stand' as a formal cue - that is just a quicky way to get a dog who doesn't know the command to stand for a photo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt'EmUp View Post
    OK so I've been reading all the conformation threads, with interest. What I got out of most of them is that conformation judges have a certain idea what is standard, perhaps because they never see the other lab type. Then I've been looking at the pictures of the pass dual champions, and most field type labs; seems like all the standing pictures of these type of lab are dated 20's, 50's etc. It is very hard to find a modern Field Lab who is standing (stacking); all the pictures of this type are Labs sitting. Thus it is hard to put them up as a side by side comparison.

    So I'm sitting at home last night, having a cocktail and figure how hard can it be to get a picture of a field lab standing, why not try it. After a few attempts conclusion is..It is very very hard, field labs move around, or they sit, then when you get them to stand they look like they're being tortured. We also got out the measuring tape and stood on the scale. (we won't mention how much of my weight I had to subtract, to get theirs )

    So I throw it out to the forum, Can you get a picture of your Lab standing? Perhaps we can get a few nice pics, or at least we can have a bit of fun.

    Just so no one feels embarrassed, I'll go first here are my attempts at, conformation stand field lab

    6yr. Female (height 23in; Weight 65lb) in standard abet being tortured, and looks like she's gonna be getting a few less cookies
    Kota.jpg

    14mt. Female (height 22in Weight 55lb) in standard abet being restrained, not done filling out so I'm guessing ~60-65lb when she's done
    storm.jpg

    I'm definitely not interested in a conformation assessment; but I did get them to stand
    My FC/AFC sired lab that lives in a show world can actually pull off a show stack. HUbby is out of town this week so no show stack and camera at the ready. He loves to play show dog beacuse that means cookies.
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