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    I have 14 bf that went through basics with a pro, spent a season in blind and returned for advanced training, good pro very reputable. Dog is well breed sure and dam MH level, she did great with FTP TT. Now to the problem water force she's confused with pressure, goes to the water and stops a coule times with more pressure than she went to bumpers in water. Her attitude on this is nervous and scared. Been several sessions he feels she is not capable of being water forced. Any experience with this?

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    A couple of questions I would be asking myself if this were my dog:

    What is the water temp?

    What is her attitude for water marks?

    What is her general training attitude with the pro?

    Have I been out for a training day to see what's happening for myself?

    This sounds odd...should I get a second opinion from another pro?
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    Her attitude is just not the same as any other training steps, she knows he's telling her to go but she will just do anything to advoid going to a pile just a few ft through water to a pile. He lot her up she went but she can't process the step but only this step so far is troubling her. TT she's handling with bumper in her mouth to other piles after she's made correct cast.

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    Deep South it's 70 today, water marks are great she loves that

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    I would revisit collar conditioning. It doesn't sound
    Like she is properly conditioned. Your comment she did great on
    FTP tells me maybe she didn't get very many corrections
    so she is not understanding the pressure.
    I believe if she is properly CC she can be forced in the water.
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    This is confusing to me. Is your dog with a pro now? And if she is with a pro exactly what does the pro attribute the attitude. Unless you really know what you're doing or have an extremely tractable dog water force can be a real issue, so many things that can sour a dogs attitude.
    "The longer you let a dog go in the wrong direction the more they think they are going in the right direction" Don Remien.

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    Yes she's still at a pro trainer and a very good one. He's contributing it to lack of receptance of Pressure, she took the pressure on FTP but she needed quit alot to follow the back command and from remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jollydog View Post
    I would revisit collar conditioning. It doesn't sound
    Like she is properly conditioned. Your comment she did great on
    FTP tells me maybe she didn't get very many corrections
    so she is not understanding the pressure.
    I believe if she is properly CC she can be forced in the water.
    My 2 cents ! Good Luck
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    Believe your Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAKEHAVEN View Post
    Believe your Pro.
    Yeah I'm in Drakehavens camp here. If this is a good pro, which you say it is, I would guess that he didn't miss any steps in training. That would lead me to believe that this particular dog is not going to be receptive to those training techniques that are commonly used to obtain a more "Finished" dog.
    You may have some hard choices to make.
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