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    Swack, I'm not sure flowing coat has a lot to do with it. I don't know if a Golden Retriever has ever been BIS at Crufts, but I'm not sure a Golden has ever been BIS at Westminister. If he has been, it was, I think, Cragmount's Hi Lo http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=455 You'll note he was born in 1962. They have only rarely gotten to Group I at Westminister.

    The trait that makes them popular numerically in registrations has a lot to do with their temperaments for family needs and intelligence for training, not just field training, but also obedience, etc.
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    So what about international titles? Are they the best of the best?

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    In the past 12 years I have only done one breeding and it was based on trying to breed puppies that could perform as a great hunting dog, run a quality hunt test or perform at the highest level of field trail work as possible. The dam was a Field Champion, Amateur Field Champion and Master Hunter. The sire also was a Field Champion and Amateur Field Champion. As many know not all puppies get the same chance to succeed. The one litter produced one excellent male. FC AFC KPR’s Wet Willie http://www.fc-afc-willie-at-stud.com/. Like his mother and father Willie is a Champion and I think they all represent what a Labrador should be.
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    I think It's Important that you know 'WHY' we have Dog Shows !
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    And here you were two days ago with no use for one liners, Robt. - not cricket, sez ye, or caber toss. Ho ye! Isn't a YouTube url a "one-liner?" A one-liner followed by lots of zingers pointing out the painful truth about dog shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerd View Post
    And here you were two days ago with no use for one liners, Robt.

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    Just to throw this out there... there are 47 different breeds that have won westminster over 106 total awards. There are 178 recognized AKC breeds.

    My point being... there are lots of breeds that have never won westminster. Most of the breeds that have won are "coated" and fairly "flashy". Irrespective of where the average bench dog is in meeting the breed standard, I think its very unlikely that a Lab will win westminster... the plain dog just doesn't do well on a televised show .

    A good example of this would be the Chessie. Whether you love them or not, there are still some DC's out there and less division within the breed, which would mean to me that those dogs probably fit their standard very well from both a physical appearance and performance aspect. They have also never won westminster. "Plain brown (sedge? deadgrass?) wrapper syndrome".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trifecta View Post
    My point being... there are lots of breeds that have never won westminster. Most of the breeds that have won are "coated" and fairly "flashy". Irrespective of where the average bench dog is in meeting the breed standard, I think its very unlikely that a Lab will win westminster... the plain dog just doesn't do well on a televised show .
    That's a pretty "good" Awbarn inferiority mindset. But being at Auburn, you also might want to ask yourself, WWDMDD? (What Would Dottie Metcalf's Dough Do?) for Labs. Like, you know, Dottie's dollars working to make them better at working, not showing.

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    My point was merely that saying that the breed doesn't win at westminster is not a very good measure of how good the breed fits the standard, and that there are dogs that by anyone's logic (ie, a DC chessie for example) should at least in theory be awesome examples of their breed standard, yet don't win.

    Not withstanding, I'm not trying to argue that the dog wasn't obese or that didn't have any leg. That dead horse has long been beaten.

    Its merely that people keep bringing up the fact that labs don't win major dog shows, many of whom have never been to a dog show, and have no clue what dog shows are actually like, and no perspective on these things.
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